> Of course, we have an ecological problem and we do need to address it: there is no question that we are responsible for deforestation, plastics in the ocean,

> Of course, we have an ecological problem and we do need to address it: there is no question that we are responsible for deforestation, plastics in the ocean, and the extinction of species. Deforestation alone has caused parts of climate change, so by that fact alone you contradict yourself. you can't say people are responsible for deforestation, deforestation causes climate change, but people are not a cause of climate change. Plastics in ocean maybe affects plankton levels and other things that could take carbon out of the atmosphere, etc. Scientists are lately claiming that we're moving even faster to bad situations than originally scheduled, most likely because to be more alarmist even if accurate would upset some people in powerful positions, like Galileo pissing off the Catholic Church etc... What event would it take for your to say human caused climate change is real?