I just installed NetBeans 6.5 "ruby edition" after reading this post and just had to come back here to explain why Tim's thesis of "we have many great complemen

I just installed NetBeans 6.5 "ruby edition" after reading this post and just had to come back here to explain why Tim's thesis of "we have many great complementing products to create a coherent whole" (my words, not Tim's) is mostly an anchor around Sun's neck. I download NetBeans 6.5 (ruby only version) and the installer tells me it needs to use 145 MB for the install. I tell it ok and it asks for my root password and I give it and away it goes. The install gleefully tells me at some point it is installing "GlassFish v3 Prelude". WTF!!! Stop doing things like this!!! About a year or so ago, I seriously took into consideration adopting Solaris 10. I read the basic install docs and tried to get a clean and basic install of Solaris. No such luck. I wanted a server OS and the default install gives me not 1 but 3 desktop solutions, multiple Sun products like a directory and mail server and yes, 3 versions of Java setup in a "great" multi-java install method. This was done to enable the multiple other stuff to work as sun's various products it was jamming down my throat had different Java requirements. So what would I need to get a "slimmed down Solaris install"? I would need to read through a thousand pages of docs and write install scripts. So what did I do instead? I switched to ubuntu server. Why is ubuntu server great? Because it does not have other products it is trying to "up-sell" me. Sun thinks that because it is giving you some free tech that it spent lots of money creating that they have the user's permission to shove more stuff on the user. This is a big problem. If I want GlassFish, I'll install it. If I want any form of X-windows or Java on my server, I'll ask for it.