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To me, DevOps culture just feels like a way for businesses to save money by not staffing a dedicated infrastructure team and pushing all those responsibilities

by dmart 3y ago

To me, DevOps culture just feels like a way for businesses to save money by not staffing a dedicated infrastructure team and pushing all those responsibilities onto application developers. The amount of time I've spent fiddling with Terraform, Ansible, Kubernetes manifests, Helm charts, Jenkins configuration, GitHub Actions configuration, AWS IAM, and so on over the past few years is absurd, probably more than the time I've spent writing actual application code.

booi 3y ago
What now? If you’re spending that much time on devops I feel like you’re doing it wrong. I do eng (team of 7) and devops (only me) and I feel like I spend about 5% of my time on devops. These tools have made deploying production quality infrastructure take a fraction of the time. These environments are basically already preaudited and verified. They’re also just much higher quality in general. It’s quite typical for different projects to share infrastructure in traditionally deployed systems but with devops we can have much better isolation with less deployment time.
satvikpendem 3y ago
We have separate devops teams, though, so I do zero fiddling with all those technologies.
pdimitar 3y ago
> To me, DevOps culture just feels like a way for businesses to save money by not staffing a dedicated infrastructure team and pushing all those responsibilities onto application developers. Yeah, because that's exactly what it is.
report-to-trees 3y ago
One of the things that bothers me the most with the cooperate software development rat race is how many problems are being solved over and over again. Every company is staffing their own devops teams to build their own abstractions over these technologies so app developers don't have to worry about it. I personally know multiple devs who basically move from company to company reimplementing the same devops tools at each one. It all just feels like a collosal waste of energy and collective resources.
firesteelrain 3y ago
Who patches your VMs? Installs Antivirus.. installs vulnerability protection.. defines your resource groups.. virtual networks.. sets up your Azure subscriptions.. performs billing management.. etc? I hope its not you. The whole idea was that there is a platform team responsible for providing a service or better yet the CSP does this for you and then you just have to architect as a platform team the things I listed above. It does not happen via magic. But the CSP platforms makes it certainly easier to provide a pre-audited version of the OS and tools. You should be able to self-service yourself within say a developer like portal as part of an IDP as described here. Not figure out ALL of the infra yourself.

by dmart 3y ago

booi 3y ago

What now? If you’re spending that much time on devops I feel like you’re doing it wrong. I do eng (team of 7) and devops (only me) and I feel like I spend about 5% of my time on devops. These tools have made deploying production quality infrastructure take a fraction of the time. These environments are basically already preaudited and verified. They’re also just much higher quality in general. It’s quite typical for different projects to share infrastructure in traditionally deployed systems but with devops we can have much better isolation with less deployment time.

satvikpendem 3y ago

We have separate devops teams, though, so I do zero fiddling with all those technologies.

pdimitar 3y ago

> To me, DevOps culture just feels like a way for businesses to save money by not staffing a dedicated infrastructure team and pushing all those responsibilities onto application developers. Yeah, because that's exactly what it is.

report-to-trees 3y ago

One of the things that bothers me the most with the cooperate software development rat race is how many problems are being solved over and over again. Every company is staffing their own devops teams to build their own abstractions over these technologies so app developers don't have to worry about it. I personally know multiple devs who basically move from company to company reimplementing the same devops tools at each one. It all just feels like a collosal waste of energy and collective resources.

firesteelrain 3y ago

Who patches your VMs? Installs Antivirus.. installs vulnerability protection.. defines your resource groups.. virtual networks.. sets up your Azure subscriptions.. performs billing management.. etc? I hope its not you. The whole idea was that there is a platform team responsible for providing a service or better yet the CSP does this for you and then you just have to architect as a platform team the things I listed above. It does not happen via magic. But the CSP platforms makes it certainly easier to provide a pre-audited version of the OS and tools. You should be able to self-service yourself within say a developer like portal as part of an IDP as described here. Not figure out ALL of the infra yourself.