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I kinda find it creepy tracking people’s flights. Besides, some jet owners charter out their planes when not in use, so it’s incorrect to attribute all the mile

I kinda find it creepy tracking people’s flights. Besides, some jet owners charter out their planes when not in use, so it’s incorrect to attribute all the miles to them.

shadowgovt 3y ago
I think there's a hard public interest in tracking flights. They're so safe these days that we can kind of forget that we're talking about moving multi-ton vehicles over people's homes, churches, and schools, where anything going wrong can result in significant loss of life and property damage... At the very least, I want to know who and when as a societal tradeoff for the privilege of using the air over our heads freely. (Also, that vested interest has been demonstrated in recent history. Keep in mind that it was ultimately plane-spotters who originally busted the extraordinary rendition policy of the US government open... They noticed planes had changed their regular flight patterns significantly).
- robocat 3y ago
  Your argument applies equally to cars. For a low price per car we could track all cars and also ensure they don't break a bunch of rules (say speed, acceleration, traffic lights) where drivers endanger others.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    It doesn't because cars stick to the road. The difference is a little hand wavy and path dependent on history, but pilots are required to file flight plans; nobody requires a drive plan. (Of course, every car has a license plate and if somebody were to establish an infrastructure for tracking all of those plates and correlating it to motion of vehicles... I'm actually not against that. I'm of the personal opinion that we are far too deferential to drivers and do not demand nearly enough responsibility from them, and the fatality rates on roads are demonstrative of this).
bko 3y ago
Some people say its based on public data but I think that its tapping into a network of moles to track celebrities. Really creepy stuff. > This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. > Your link will only be valid until he again changes his ICAO number. > More info: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33995566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33995566
- cowsandmilk 3y ago
  > network of moles to track celebrities These people don’t care about celebrities. They literally sit and watch planes take off for hours at a time because they enjoy it. Nearly every airport has a field of people doing that regardless of whether celebrities are around. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_spotting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_spotting

I kinda find it creepy tracking people’s flights. Besides, some jet owners charter out their planes when not in use, so it’s incorrect to attribute all the miles to them.

shadowgovt 3y ago

I think there's a hard public interest in tracking flights. They're so safe these days that we can kind of forget that we're talking about moving multi-ton vehicles over people's homes, churches, and schools, where anything going wrong can result in significant loss of life and property damage... At the very least, I want to know who and when as a societal tradeoff for the privilege of using the air over our heads freely. (Also, that vested interest has been demonstrated in recent history. Keep in mind that it was ultimately plane-spotters who originally busted the extraordinary rendition policy of the US government open... They noticed planes had changed their regular flight patterns significantly).

robocat 3y ago
Your argument applies equally to cars. For a low price per car we could track all cars and also ensure they don't break a bunch of rules (say speed, acceleration, traffic lights) where drivers endanger others.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  It doesn't because cars stick to the road. The difference is a little hand wavy and path dependent on history, but pilots are required to file flight plans; nobody requires a drive plan. (Of course, every car has a license plate and if somebody were to establish an infrastructure for tracking all of those plates and correlating it to motion of vehicles... I'm actually not against that. I'm of the personal opinion that we are far too deferential to drivers and do not demand nearly enough responsibility from them, and the fatality rates on roads are demonstrative of this).

bko 3y ago

Some people say its based on public data but I think that its tapping into a network of moles to track celebrities. Really creepy stuff. > This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. > Your link will only be valid until he again changes his ICAO number. > More info: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33995566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33995566

cowsandmilk 3y ago
> network of moles to track celebrities These people don’t care about celebrities. They literally sit and watch planes take off for hours at a time because they enjoy it. Nearly every airport has a field of people doing that regardless of whether celebrities are around. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_spotting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_spotting