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4chan enforces anonymity even across posts (at least on /b/) and with missing nesting, you can lose track of replies fast. So you're basically reading ideas onl

4chan enforces anonymity even across posts (at least on /b/) and with missing nesting, you can lose track of replies fast. So you're basically reading ideas only. Altough I do agree HN's post system is one of the most similar. HN has a more coherent culture and moderation, though.

kelipso 3y ago
Any forum with up and downvoting cannot be called most similar to 4chan lol. Discord is probably more similar, not to mention the usual phpbb boards.
- em-bee 3y ago
  i don't know what you are comparing. phpbb boards maybe, but i don't see how discord fits in here. anyways, the point was about identity. not about voting. that's entirely irrelevant.
  - kelipso 3y ago
    If you don't see how up/down voting completely changes how forums work, how people post, the environment it creates, etc etc etc, then you don't really know anything about internet forums.
    - em-bee 3y ago
      i didn't say that voting has no effect. i said that it is not relevant to the point we were discussing which is the establishing of a personal identity. the identity is dependent on the amount of anonymity provided by the forum. sure, voting does affect how and what people write, but it doesn't affect the fact that it is practically not possible to establish an identity on 4chan, and that it is still difficult on hackernews, because names of posters do not stand out, and in my own experience it very often escapes my notice if i am responding to the same person as before or to a different one. i also can not see if a message has been upvoted or what the posters reputation is (unless i go look up the karma points, and count the number of messages and links they posted) so i can't seek out or avoid people or messages based on that. whereas in other forums that information is readily visible with each post, which in turn affects who and what i pay attention to. on hackernews this results in me focusing on each message by itself just like i would on 4chan, and it is independent of the voting that goes on here. btw, i also read dead messages, which means i even ignore the downvotes and make my own judgement of the message, which further reduces the effect of voting, at least for my person. another interesting point is that when i first joined hackernews i used to close all my messages with a greeting like a signature, which was not welcome and shows that standing out, which is something that would help establish an identity, is not desired here.
      - kelipso 3y ago
        Well ignoring the voting thing, which I do think is relevant, what you're describing is pretty much exactly reddit and not 4chan. Also there are a good number of famous/known personalities in HN. Also I'm pretty sure if you've been selected for the YC, you can see who else is in the YC club in HN, like your name gets highlighted or something. So the reality in HN is not at all how you describe.
        em-bee 3y ago
        Also there are a good number of famous/known personalities in HN sure there are, but unless you know who they are and what their HN account names are and pay close attention to that name on each message then you won't notice them. and, those people are not famous for their writing on HN. as far as i remember, reddit used to show awards next to the nickname on each message, so you could easily see who the high quality posters were. this appears to be no longer the case. they still have an avatar though, which can make particular users easy to recognize. neither HN nor 4chan have that.

kelipso 3y ago

Any forum with up and downvoting cannot be called most similar to 4chan lol. Discord is probably more similar, not to mention the usual phpbb boards.

em-bee 3y ago
i don't know what you are comparing. phpbb boards maybe, but i don't see how discord fits in here. anyways, the point was about identity. not about voting. that's entirely irrelevant.
- kelipso 3y ago
  If you don't see how up/down voting completely changes how forums work, how people post, the environment it creates, etc etc etc, then you don't really know anything about internet forums.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    i didn't say that voting has no effect. i said that it is not relevant to the point we were discussing which is the establishing of a personal identity. the identity is dependent on the amount of anonymity provided by the forum. sure, voting does affect how and what people write, but it doesn't affect the fact that it is practically not possible to establish an identity on 4chan, and that it is still difficult on hackernews, because names of posters do not stand out, and in my own experience it very often escapes my notice if i am responding to the same person as before or to a different one. i also can not see if a message has been upvoted or what the posters reputation is (unless i go look up the karma points, and count the number of messages and links they posted) so i can't seek out or avoid people or messages based on that. whereas in other forums that information is readily visible with each post, which in turn affects who and what i pay attention to. on hackernews this results in me focusing on each message by itself just like i would on 4chan, and it is independent of the voting that goes on here. btw, i also read dead messages, which means i even ignore the downvotes and make my own judgement of the message, which further reduces the effect of voting, at least for my person. another interesting point is that when i first joined hackernews i used to close all my messages with a greeting like a signature, which was not welcome and shows that standing out, which is something that would help establish an identity, is not desired here.
    - kelipso 3y ago
      Well ignoring the voting thing, which I do think is relevant, what you're describing is pretty much exactly reddit and not 4chan. Also there are a good number of famous/known personalities in HN. Also I'm pretty sure if you've been selected for the YC, you can see who else is in the YC club in HN, like your name gets highlighted or something. So the reality in HN is not at all how you describe.
      - em-bee 3y ago
        Also there are a good number of famous/known personalities in HN sure there are, but unless you know who they are and what their HN account names are and pay close attention to that name on each message then you won't notice them. and, those people are not famous for their writing on HN. as far as i remember, reddit used to show awards next to the nickname on each message, so you could easily see who the high quality posters were. this appears to be no longer the case. they still have an avatar though, which can make particular users easy to recognize. neither HN nor 4chan have that.