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I agree that the word "System Programming" is really bad. C# and Java modern ahead of time compilation, tree shaking and linking should make it similar to Go a

by oaiey 3y ago

I agree that the word "System Programming" is really bad. C# and Java modern ahead of time compilation, tree shaking and linking should make it similar to Go at that sense (as in single file, no runtime, etc). There is still a lot to do but they are reaching that playing field. Not motivated by the servers but by apps and cloud startup times I guess.

arp242 3y ago
Right, I don't really keep up with the latest changes – generally running Java/C# has been a bit of a hassle, similar to Python or Ruby. e.g. I had to manually download .NET things from the Microsoft website, and keep my DOTNETHOME directory around as a runtime dependency, etc. Nothing like "just download this binary and that's all you need". Related from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37701769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37701769
- neonsunset 3y ago
  This shouldn't be the case for .NET. You only have to download the tooling to build it (which can usually be done through package manager of your choice). To run the built binaries, whether to require the runtime (by not including it in the executable) or not is a choice. Tl;Dr of MSFT docs is: JIT (w/ Runtime): dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishSingleFile=true -p:PublishTrimmed=true JIT (w/o Runtime): dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishSingleFile=true --self-contained false AOT: dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishAot=true These can be configured via .csproj properties too, there are multiple ways to set those depending on your needs. If you don't have any specific dynamically linked native dependencies included with your project, all of the options will be a single executable that you can just run. Do note that to use AOT on macOS you will need .NET 8 (right now it's RC1/preview). In general, dotnet CLI commands are similar cargo (it had some of the features earlier, some later): dotnet new, build, add, publish, etc.
  - arp242 3y ago
    Right; to be honest I'm not a C# expert, I just did some stuff with RimWorld modding a while back, and when I did that I had to keep all that around for some tooling (specifically: ilspycmd) or it didn't work, but looks like I just couldn't figure it out. Checking my notes I used "dotnet tool install ilspycmd -g" with .NET 6 for this, but looks like I should have used "publish". I've saved your comment here to look at if I go back to this in the future; thanks!

by oaiey 3y ago

arp242 3y ago

Right, I don't really keep up with the latest changes – generally running Java/C# has been a bit of a hassle, similar to Python or Ruby. e.g. I had to manually download .NET things from the Microsoft website, and keep my DOTNETHOME directory around as a runtime dependency, etc. Nothing like "just download this binary and that's all you need". Related from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37701769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37701769

neonsunset 3y ago
This shouldn't be the case for .NET. You only have to download the tooling to build it (which can usually be done through package manager of your choice). To run the built binaries, whether to require the runtime (by not including it in the executable) or not is a choice. Tl;Dr of MSFT docs is: JIT (w/ Runtime): dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishSingleFile=true -p:PublishTrimmed=true JIT (w/o Runtime): dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishSingleFile=true --self-contained false AOT: dotnet publish -c release -p:PublishAot=true These can be configured via .csproj properties too, there are multiple ways to set those depending on your needs. If you don't have any specific dynamically linked native dependencies included with your project, all of the options will be a single executable that you can just run. Do note that to use AOT on macOS you will need .NET 8 (right now it's RC1/preview). In general, dotnet CLI commands are similar cargo (it had some of the features earlier, some later): dotnet new, build, add, publish, etc.
- arp242 3y ago
  Right; to be honest I'm not a C# expert, I just did some stuff with RimWorld modding a while back, and when I did that I had to keep all that around for some tooling (specifically: ilspycmd) or it didn't work, but looks like I just couldn't figure it out. Checking my notes I used "dotnet tool install ilspycmd -g" with .NET 6 for this, but looks like I should have used "publish". I've saved your comment here to look at if I go back to this in the future; thanks!