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turns out there's no philosophy of engineering! IMO, this is also why we have "computer science"... as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to

turns out there's no philosophy of engineering! IMO, this is also why we have "computer science"... as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to 'reverse engineer' how they are made; which is ridiculous! engineering, technology, computers, are not well covered by neither philosophy of arts nor sciences; if anything math's philosophy gets closer; but it's just a branch of phil. of science.

bheadmaster 3y ago
> as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to 'reverse engineer' how they are made; which is ridiculous! Computer Science is a branch of pure math, and arguably pure math is found in nature and we're just reverse engineering its laws.
- brap 3y ago
  Perhaps the fundamental logic behind pure math is "real" in the sense that it's "found in nature" (whatever that means, I don't see how we would prove that), and we're only applying this real thing to models that we've completely made up. e.g., modus ponens is real, but a Turing Machine is not. We can reason about it logically but we didn't discover it, we made it up. Maybe the same can be said about numbers.
  - bheadmaster 3y ago
    Mathematics reliably predicts observable phenomena from nature. If that's not a proof of its "realness", then I don't know what possibly could be.
heywhatupboys 3y ago
You are being extremely anglo-centric. In Northern and Central European countries, it is call datalogic or informatics. Your analogy holds only when you tell it in English.
- garba_dlm 3y ago
  lucky me I'm speaking in English. also, what does informatics have to do with philosophy, andor phil. of engineering?
  - heywhatupboys 3y ago
    > IMO, this is also why we have "computer science"... as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to 'reverse engineer' how they are made; which is ridiculous! "computer science" does not contain the words "computer" in many languages

bheadmaster 3y ago

> as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to 'reverse engineer' how they are made; which is ridiculous! Computer Science is a branch of pure math, and arguably pure math is found in nature and we're just reverse engineering its laws.

brap 3y ago
Perhaps the fundamental logic behind pure math is "real" in the sense that it's "found in nature" (whatever that means, I don't see how we would prove that), and we're only applying this real thing to models that we've completely made up. e.g., modus ponens is real, but a Turing Machine is not. We can reason about it logically but we didn't discover it, we made it up. Maybe the same can be said about numbers.
- bheadmaster 3y ago
  Mathematics reliably predicts observable phenomena from nature. If that's not a proof of its "realness", then I don't know what possibly could be.

heywhatupboys 3y ago

You are being extremely anglo-centric. In Northern and Central European countries, it is call datalogic or informatics. Your analogy holds only when you tell it in English.

garba_dlm 3y ago
lucky me I'm speaking in English. also, what does informatics have to do with philosophy, andor phil. of engineering?
- heywhatupboys 3y ago
  > IMO, this is also why we have "computer science"... as if computers were found in nature and we were trying to 'reverse engineer' how they are made; which is ridiculous! "computer science" does not contain the words "computer" in many languages