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How is Bing getting this before full rollout to all GPTPlus users?

by dangero 3y ago

Kiro 3y ago
Microsoft owning 49% of OpenAI probably helps.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  They don't actually own 49% of Open AI yet. The deal was $10B for 75% of Open AI's profits until Microsoft recouped this investment. After the investment is recouped, then they have 49% of Open AI. The deal included access to all of Open AI's model.
  - dooraven 3y ago
    that seems like an awful deal for OpenAI. Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion?
    - morelisp 3y ago
      If they can't pay it back, that seems like an awful deal for MS, and a great deal for OpenAI.
      - conradfr 3y ago
        Of course it's "only" 10% of their cash reserve anyway.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion? By building relationships with government officials and media, and using X-risk fearmongering to lobby for regulation that inhibits competition and locks in their dominant position.
  - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    No, after the 100*investment is recouped, MS will own 0% of openAI. Now they own 49%.
famouswaffles 3y ago
The same reason Bing was running GPT-4 before Open AI even acknowledged the existence of the model. The $10B deal gives Microsoft exclusive access to all Open AI models.
- dangero 3y ago
  Feels like a breaking issue for GPTPlus subscription plan when Bing has better features for free
  - throwuwu 3y ago
    Feature. Once the multimodal rollout is complete Plus will have image gen, image recognition, voice recognition and voice gen all integrated with the chat capabilities so you can combine those features in novel ways like the link Brockman retweeted showing ChatGPT acting as a language tutor and conversation partner.
    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      To be fair you can do all that from Bing Chat too(image/voice recognition and generation). And plugins are coming to it too. The downsides with Bing currently are: 1. If you're not prepared to be civil to a language model, you're not going to have a good time. 2. The image input feature isn't quite the same. Feels like descriptions are bolted in from a separate (GPT-4 V unless the Bing CTO was lying) model so it's lossy in a way straight from GPT-4 V isn't 3. Voice recognition and TTS are good but worse than what Open AI is currently using. Perhaps they'll switch since the TTS is new ? But idk. It's also not hands off like Open AI have designed their implementation.
      - gowings97 3y ago
        Still waiting to gain Chat GPT-4 Plus image upload access myself, but the Bing image ingest / recognition is vastly inferior to what I've experienced myself (trying to use Bing's image upload capabilities/recognition) vs. what I've seen on Twitter the last few days with Chat GPT-4's image upload feature / recognition capabilities.

How is Bing getting this before full rollout to all GPTPlus users?

Kiro 3y ago

Microsoft owning 49% of OpenAI probably helps.

famouswaffles 3y ago
They don't actually own 49% of Open AI yet. The deal was $10B for 75% of Open AI's profits until Microsoft recouped this investment. After the investment is recouped, then they have 49% of Open AI. The deal included access to all of Open AI's model.
- dooraven 3y ago
  that seems like an awful deal for OpenAI. Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion?
  - morelisp 3y ago
    If they can't pay it back, that seems like an awful deal for MS, and a great deal for OpenAI.
    - conradfr 3y ago
      Of course it's "only" 10% of their cash reserve anyway.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion? By building relationships with government officials and media, and using X-risk fearmongering to lobby for regulation that inhibits competition and locks in their dominant position.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  No, after the 100*investment is recouped, MS will own 0% of openAI. Now they own 49%.

famouswaffles 3y ago

The same reason Bing was running GPT-4 before Open AI even acknowledged the existence of the model. The $10B deal gives Microsoft exclusive access to all Open AI models.

dangero 3y ago
Feels like a breaking issue for GPTPlus subscription plan when Bing has better features for free
- throwuwu 3y ago
  Feature. Once the multimodal rollout is complete Plus will have image gen, image recognition, voice recognition and voice gen all integrated with the chat capabilities so you can combine those features in novel ways like the link Brockman retweeted showing ChatGPT acting as a language tutor and conversation partner.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    To be fair you can do all that from Bing Chat too(image/voice recognition and generation). And plugins are coming to it too. The downsides with Bing currently are: 1. If you're not prepared to be civil to a language model, you're not going to have a good time. 2. The image input feature isn't quite the same. Feels like descriptions are bolted in from a separate (GPT-4 V unless the Bing CTO was lying) model so it's lossy in a way straight from GPT-4 V isn't 3. Voice recognition and TTS are good but worse than what Open AI is currently using. Perhaps they'll switch since the TTS is new ? But idk. It's also not hands off like Open AI have designed their implementation.
    - gowings97 3y ago
      Still waiting to gain Chat GPT-4 Plus image upload access myself, but the Bing image ingest / recognition is vastly inferior to what I've experienced myself (trying to use Bing's image upload capabilities/recognition) vs. what I've seen on Twitter the last few days with Chat GPT-4's image upload feature / recognition capabilities.