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"The first interesting thing you'll probably learn is that the more "secure" something is marketed as being to consumers, the easier it is to pick." BS! I have

by dfc 15y ago

"The first interesting thing you'll probably learn is that the more "secure" something is marketed as being to consumers, the easier it is to pick." BS! I have a medecco lock on my door that was marketed as secure. I'd love to see how much easier it is to pick for you than some run of the mill Yale lock from Home Despot. How many gun safes have you "picked"? Most of the firearm owners I know have spent some serious coin on their safes. What gun safes specifically have you picked? And when you say home safes surely you mean home fire safes right? How many UL tool-rated safes have you picked? Paper clips? I have never seen anyone recommend beginners start with paper clips. What do you suggest they use for the torque wrench? I think beginners should just buy one of the many introductory/beginners kits available on the net.

jdietrich 15y ago
Medeco locks can be bumped open in a few seconds by a child with a $30 tool[1]. With the popularisation of bump key and plastic key attacks, no pin-tumbler lock should be considered more than a trivial deterrent. A "high security" pin-tumbler lock opens just as easily as cheap locks - often more easily, thanks to finer tolerances. The only mass-market lock mechanisms with any real security are disc-detainer designs, specifically Assa Abloy's Protec. Unlike any other door lock in common use, the Protec mechanism has no known non-destructive attacks. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1LH7lrftKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1LH7lrftKA
runjake 15y ago
How many gun safes have you "picked"? Not gun safes, gun locks. The kind that come with handguns and slip through the slide. Read above, again. I've played with a Sentry gun safe, as well as a couple standup models whose models I can't recall. And when you say home safes surely you mean home fire safes right? Actually, I said home fire safes :) Paper clips? I have never seen anyone recommend beginners start with paper clips. What do you suggest they use for the torque wrench? I think beginners should just buy one of the many introductory/beginners kits available on the net. Not to argue, but most of the beginning tutorials I've read encourage people to start with paperclips, as it helps learn tensioning. Here's a search that points to several tutorials recommending paperclips: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=beginning%20lockpicking%20paper%20clips https://duckduckgo.com/?q=beginning%20lockpicking%20paper%20... I hope that helps. I don't proclaim to be an expert, though I can handle myself well. It seems like you misread most of what I said, FWIW.

by dfc 15y ago

jdietrich 15y ago

Medeco locks can be bumped open in a few seconds by a child with a $30 tool[1]. With the popularisation of bump key and plastic key attacks, no pin-tumbler lock should be considered more than a trivial deterrent. A "high security" pin-tumbler lock opens just as easily as cheap locks - often more easily, thanks to finer tolerances. The only mass-market lock mechanisms with any real security are disc-detainer designs, specifically Assa Abloy's Protec. Unlike any other door lock in common use, the Protec mechanism has no known non-destructive attacks. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1LH7lrftKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1LH7lrftKA

runjake 15y ago

How many gun safes have you "picked"? Not gun safes, gun locks. The kind that come with handguns and slip through the slide. Read above, again. I've played with a Sentry gun safe, as well as a couple standup models whose models I can't recall. And when you say home safes surely you mean home fire safes right? Actually, I said home fire safes :) Paper clips? I have never seen anyone recommend beginners start with paper clips. What do you suggest they use for the torque wrench? I think beginners should just buy one of the many introductory/beginners kits available on the net. Not to argue, but most of the beginning tutorials I've read encourage people to start with paperclips, as it helps learn tensioning. Here's a search that points to several tutorials recommending paperclips: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=beginning%20lockpicking%20paper%20clips https://duckduckgo.com/?q=beginning%20lockpicking%20paper%20... I hope that helps. I don't proclaim to be an expert, though I can handle myself well. It seems like you misread most of what I said, FWIW.