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I'm not even sure complete oversight is the goal. All of the individuals involved might even have the purest of intentions. But time and time again the outcome

I'm not even sure complete oversight is the goal. All of the individuals involved might even have the purest of intentions. But time and time again the outcome of such actions (when left un-countered) does seem to end up with more spying on civilians.

Sakos 3y ago
Even the purest of intentions can't justify by itself any particular decision or action taken. The decision or action itself must be evaluated on its own merits. Or you find yourself excusing everybody from abusive partners to dictators (which we see everywhere, unfortunately).
lozenge 3y ago
Complete oversight is a pure intention to some people.
- buran77 3y ago
  Some if not most evils in history started with someone truly believing it's the path to righteousness. And good or bad, the larger one's reach, the more likely they truly believe they are a savior, the hero, the solution.
csomar 3y ago
The persistence to pass this regardless of all the push-back that happened suggests that there is no "pure" intention out there. Zero.
KineticLensman 3y ago
> But time and time again the outcome of such actions (when left un-countered) does seem to end up with more spying on civilians. A good example of this in the UK is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act [0] that constrains anti-terrorist surveillance and investigation, but which ended up, amongst other things, being used by local councils to track whether children lived in particular school catchment areas, tracking fly-tippers, etc. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Po...
lost_tourist 3y ago
It's the same with benevolent aristocracy, I'm sure there have been good rulers in the past who considered it their duty to serve the interest of the people and be benevolent, however 80-90% (conservative estimate) are not. They see themselves as the pinnacle of humanity and "why not? why shouldn't I do whatever I want? The peasants are wrong!" . It's the same with all positions of power and why there have to be counterbalances like courts and laws to protect privacy.

Sakos 3y ago

Even the purest of intentions can't justify by itself any particular decision or action taken. The decision or action itself must be evaluated on its own merits. Or you find yourself excusing everybody from abusive partners to dictators (which we see everywhere, unfortunately).

lozenge 3y ago

Complete oversight is a pure intention to some people.

buran77 3y ago
Some if not most evils in history started with someone truly believing it's the path to righteousness. And good or bad, the larger one's reach, the more likely they truly believe they are a savior, the hero, the solution.

csomar 3y ago

The persistence to pass this regardless of all the push-back that happened suggests that there is no "pure" intention out there. Zero.

KineticLensman 3y ago

> But time and time again the outcome of such actions (when left un-countered) does seem to end up with more spying on civilians. A good example of this in the UK is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act [0] that constrains anti-terrorist surveillance and investigation, but which ended up, amongst other things, being used by local councils to track whether children lived in particular school catchment areas, tracking fly-tippers, etc. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Po...

lost_tourist 3y ago

It's the same with benevolent aristocracy, I'm sure there have been good rulers in the past who considered it their duty to serve the interest of the people and be benevolent, however 80-90% (conservative estimate) are not. They see themselves as the pinnacle of humanity and "why not? why shouldn't I do whatever I want? The peasants are wrong!" . It's the same with all positions of power and why there have to be counterbalances like courts and laws to protect privacy.