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Early life indoctrination is working and will keep working, especially with such an established institutions as world religions. Don't try to fool yourself.

globular-toast 3y ago
How do you explain the fall of religion in places like Europe? It's not like early life indoctrination has been outlawed or even generally accepted as being wrong.
- SergeAx 3y ago
  That's what I thought myself about after I posted the comment. Turns out it was a lack of faith in those whose job was to indoctrinate. Same happened in Soviet Union in 60s, and the very next generation became immune.
standardUser 3y ago
All the evidence points to the opposite. If you have some evidence or a series of logical statements, I will listen. But I'm not going to take your word for it when it directly contradicts all evidence.
- SergeAx 3y ago
  Maybe you then care to bring your evidence?
  - standardUser 3y ago
    A few recent surveys that show a significant, increasing and undeniable reduction in religiosity in the United States, particularly among the young people you claim are being successfully indoctrinated... "In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace" https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decli... "Religion and Congregations in a Time of Social and Political Upheaval" https://www.prri.org/research/religion-and-congregations-in-a-time-of-social-and-political-upheaval/ https://www.prri.org/research/religion-and-congregations-in-... "U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time" https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-...
    - SergeAx 3y ago
      Those are not proofs of indoctrination infeasibility, just that in US religious indoctrination isn't working anymore. I believe it is mostly because schools and parents became more secular and unreligious. Same happened with ideological indoctrination in USSR 1980s. On the other hand, left liberal indoctrination works fine in US right now, as we can see. Same with imperial indoctrination in today's Russia.
    - polski-g 3y ago
      That is a decline in those specific religions, not in religiosity. If you look at all religions ("a belief in something absent evidence"), religiosity hasn't moved an inch.

globular-toast 3y ago

How do you explain the fall of religion in places like Europe? It's not like early life indoctrination has been outlawed or even generally accepted as being wrong.

SergeAx 3y ago
That's what I thought myself about after I posted the comment. Turns out it was a lack of faith in those whose job was to indoctrinate. Same happened in Soviet Union in 60s, and the very next generation became immune.

standardUser 3y ago

All the evidence points to the opposite. If you have some evidence or a series of logical statements, I will listen. But I'm not going to take your word for it when it directly contradicts all evidence.

SergeAx 3y ago
Maybe you then care to bring your evidence?
- standardUser 3y ago
  A few recent surveys that show a significant, increasing and undeniable reduction in religiosity in the United States, particularly among the young people you claim are being successfully indoctrinated... "In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace" https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decli... "Religion and Congregations in a Time of Social and Political Upheaval" https://www.prri.org/research/religion-and-congregations-in-a-time-of-social-and-political-upheaval/ https://www.prri.org/research/religion-and-congregations-in-... "U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time" https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-...
  - SergeAx 3y ago
    Those are not proofs of indoctrination infeasibility, just that in US religious indoctrination isn't working anymore. I believe it is mostly because schools and parents became more secular and unreligious. Same happened with ideological indoctrination in USSR 1980s. On the other hand, left liberal indoctrination works fine in US right now, as we can see. Same with imperial indoctrination in today's Russia.
  - polski-g 3y ago
    That is a decline in those specific religions, not in religiosity. If you look at all religions ("a belief in something absent evidence"), religiosity hasn't moved an inch.