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I feel this can be easily dramatized in either direction Imagine sitting down for 9 hours typing, then going home and scrolling through porn and getting high a

by sdsd 3y ago

I feel this can be easily dramatized in either direction Imagine sitting down for 9 hours typing, then going home and scrolling through porn and getting high and thinking that's much more interesting than conquering a village, sailing the coast of a new continent, having sex with a beautiful virgin, and teaching your sons to reach even further into greatness. Or on the other hand, the hard reality redpill that your life in the past would be manual labor on a farm as a peasant, making a lord rich. I still lean towards a romantic past - working hard with your village friends, then going to the pub with them, and coming home and making babies with your wife, in a home you own, with a tended garden and many children, sounds better than writing Ansible playbooks and jacking off to pornhub. And this is the life of a loser in the past, compared to a "winner" of the present. Maybe it's anomie, people don't have children when they don't believe in their civilization

Earw0rm 3y ago
The losers in the past died of diarrhea aged three. If you made it as far as wife and kids, you were a winner. If wife made it as far as the third kid without dying of sepsis, she was an ultra winner.
- sdsd 3y ago
  By that standard, most people conceived in the present don't even survive the womb
  - defrost 3y ago
    Well, ditto the past - not only were diet and other conditions harsher, the Church was happy to prescribe, mix, prepare and administer abortifacients. eg: https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-nun/ https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-... and that's Saint Hildegard of Bingen, Abbess and founder of two monasteries handing out the Ye Olde abortion pills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9K9PfjRjxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9K9PfjRjxM
    - Fidelix 3y ago
      This is not true. The medicine was for miscarriages (it was referred as “spontaneous abortion”). It's explained in the article that you linked. Some women did take the medicine to induce an abortion, but they did not do that with Hildegard's aid or assent. There is a helpful discussion around this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/q88veb/is_this_true_did_saint_hildegard_really_prescribe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/q88veb/is_this...
      - defrost 3y ago
        Read it how you wish, Hildegard is clearly ambiguous on the application and specifically includes the “she aborts an infant which is a danger to her body” which certainly goes much further than, say, Texas.
satvikpendem 3y ago
I don't know why you're forwarding a false dichotomy here, there's a lot more than doomscrolling and writing Ansible playbooks if you don't have children, and there's a lot more work to having children than tending an idyllic garden. And it's not as if you won't be up at 9 pm fixing production issues and rewriting Ansible playbooks even with children. In other words, one does not replace the other.
wiseowise 3y ago
> and coming home and making babies with your wife You mean raising lord’s kid? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur > I still lean towards a romantic past - working hard with your village friends, then going to the pub with them, and coming home and making babies with your wife, in a home you own, with a tended garden and many children, sounds better than writing Ansible playbooks and jacking off to pornhub. And this is the life of a loser in the past, compared to a "winner" of the present. Why are so focused on porn? Modern life is amazingly diverse with activities: jumping with parachute, sports, dancing, games, science clubs, I could go in forever. Maybe instead of lamenting try to actually do something except for jerking off and writing ansible for 9 hours?
- Gud 3y ago
  > You mean raising lord’s kid? From the link to wikipedia you sourced: > A majority of historians[citation needed] have concluded that the idea is a myth and that all references to it are from later periods.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    > [citation needed]
    - Gud 3y ago
      I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am saying there is not really that much evidence. Also from the wikipedia link you sourced: > Scholars in the 19th and 20th centuries gave the historical basis of the "right of first night" a good deal of attention.[clarification needed][37] Historians David M. Walker and Hector McKechnie wrote that the right might have existed in medieval Europe,[7][53] but other historians[who?] have concluded that it is a myth, and that all references to it are from later periods.[54][8] Over time, the Encyclopædia Britannica and the Larousse encyclopedias dramatically changed their opinion on the topic, moving from acceptance to rejection of the historical veracity of the idea.[55] French writer Louis Veuillot wrote a book in 1854 disputing its existence.[56] After an exhaustive historical study, German jurist Karl Schmidt concluded in 1881 that it was a scholarly misconception.[37] After Schmidt, many of those who believed in the existence of the custom based their opinions on anthropological studies of tribal societies, though according to W. D. Howarth, this was a misguided argument because of the disparity between the tribal societies and medieval European society.[57]
hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
Well, that's why I avoid dramatization. Anyone can daydream - it takes discipline to think on the margin. What do I have? What do I want? How can I beat use the former, to achieve the latter? Those are the questions of practical importance.
jen20 3y ago
OK, as someone who spent quite a long time living in a village with several pubs, let's dig into this! If you want to be able to go to a pub, you have to allow for one to be built within walking distance. The absolute worst thing about American suburbs is that they have decided to enforce puritanical idiocy by not interspersing pubs with houses, which mean the DUI rates are ridiculous. And the places in the US where this is not the case are the most expensive, in a turn that surprises no-one. As for Ansible, I think I'd rather do the farm labour, to be frank.

by sdsd 3y ago

Earw0rm 3y ago

The losers in the past died of diarrhea aged three. If you made it as far as wife and kids, you were a winner. If wife made it as far as the third kid without dying of sepsis, she was an ultra winner.

sdsd 3y ago
By that standard, most people conceived in the present don't even survive the womb
- defrost 3y ago
  Well, ditto the past - not only were diet and other conditions harsher, the Church was happy to prescribe, mix, prepare and administer abortifacients. eg: https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-nun/ https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-... and that's Saint Hildegard of Bingen, Abbess and founder of two monasteries handing out the Ye Olde abortion pills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9K9PfjRjxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9K9PfjRjxM
  - Fidelix 3y ago
    This is not true. The medicine was for miscarriages (it was referred as “spontaneous abortion”). It's explained in the article that you linked. Some women did take the medicine to induce an abortion, but they did not do that with Hildegard's aid or assent. There is a helpful discussion around this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/q88veb/is_this_true_did_saint_hildegard_really_prescribe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/q88veb/is_this...
    - defrost 3y ago
      Read it how you wish, Hildegard is clearly ambiguous on the application and specifically includes the “she aborts an infant which is a danger to her body” which certainly goes much further than, say, Texas.

satvikpendem 3y ago

I don't know why you're forwarding a false dichotomy here, there's a lot more than doomscrolling and writing Ansible playbooks if you don't have children, and there's a lot more work to having children than tending an idyllic garden. And it's not as if you won't be up at 9 pm fixing production issues and rewriting Ansible playbooks even with children. In other words, one does not replace the other.

wiseowise 3y ago

> and coming home and making babies with your wife You mean raising lord’s kid? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur > I still lean towards a romantic past - working hard with your village friends, then going to the pub with them, and coming home and making babies with your wife, in a home you own, with a tended garden and many children, sounds better than writing Ansible playbooks and jacking off to pornhub. And this is the life of a loser in the past, compared to a "winner" of the present. Why are so focused on porn? Modern life is amazingly diverse with activities: jumping with parachute, sports, dancing, games, science clubs, I could go in forever. Maybe instead of lamenting try to actually do something except for jerking off and writing ansible for 9 hours?

Gud 3y ago
> You mean raising lord’s kid? From the link to wikipedia you sourced: > A majority of historians[citation needed] have concluded that the idea is a myth and that all references to it are from later periods.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  > [citation needed]
  - Gud 3y ago
    I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am saying there is not really that much evidence. Also from the wikipedia link you sourced: > Scholars in the 19th and 20th centuries gave the historical basis of the "right of first night" a good deal of attention.[clarification needed][37] Historians David M. Walker and Hector McKechnie wrote that the right might have existed in medieval Europe,[7][53] but other historians[who?] have concluded that it is a myth, and that all references to it are from later periods.[54][8] Over time, the Encyclopædia Britannica and the Larousse encyclopedias dramatically changed their opinion on the topic, moving from acceptance to rejection of the historical veracity of the idea.[55] French writer Louis Veuillot wrote a book in 1854 disputing its existence.[56] After an exhaustive historical study, German jurist Karl Schmidt concluded in 1881 that it was a scholarly misconception.[37] After Schmidt, many of those who believed in the existence of the custom based their opinions on anthropological studies of tribal societies, though according to W. D. Howarth, this was a misguided argument because of the disparity between the tribal societies and medieval European society.[57]

hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago

Well, that's why I avoid dramatization. Anyone can daydream - it takes discipline to think on the margin. What do I have? What do I want? How can I beat use the former, to achieve the latter? Those are the questions of practical importance.

jen20 3y ago

OK, as someone who spent quite a long time living in a village with several pubs, let's dig into this! If you want to be able to go to a pub, you have to allow for one to be built within walking distance. The absolute worst thing about American suburbs is that they have decided to enforce puritanical idiocy by not interspersing pubs with houses, which mean the DUI rates are ridiculous. And the places in the US where this is not the case are the most expensive, in a turn that surprises no-one. As for Ansible, I think I'd rather do the farm labour, to be frank.