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Right. Then explain 1989 Tiananmen massacre to us? If this is not the atrocity that the Chinese Communist Party committed, what else? On what ground were you st

Right. Then explain 1989 Tiananmen massacre to us? If this is not the atrocity that the Chinese Communist Party committed, what else? On what ground were you standing that believe a single party, totalitarian regime is the ethically correct way for the people?

palata 3y ago
Would you say that invading Irak in 2003 was a good thing and showed how the US system was perfect?
- raverbashing 3y ago
  "but other people do bad things" is not an excuse, it's just deflection
  - palata 3y ago
    I hardly see how in that context I was using it as an excuse (you mean an excuse for China, right?). If anything, I am saying the opposite: the US can't use China as an excuse, because it has a history of also doing pretty bad things. In other words, I was answering to what I was understanding as: "Oh it's okay we invaded Irak, because China had Tiananmen".
- pavlov 3y ago
  The Iraq invasion was an atrocity no doubt. The difference is that, in the American system, the political faction that engineered that invasion has lost most of its power through a democratic mechanism. The Bush-era neoconservatives are not the dominant force in the Republican Party anymore. Trumpism is clearly opposed to foreign interventions. In the Chinese system, a similar reckoning about Tiananmen and other atrocities remains unthinkable. The one true Party must be on the correct path, and faith in that can’t be shaken. As broken as American democracy is, a two-party system fueled by private money is still much better than a single-party system that also controls the money.
  - helpfulContrib 3y ago
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    - catiopatio 3y ago
      Dong Jianbiao, the father of Dong Yaoqiong, who authorities disappeared for splashing ink on a poster of President Xi Jinping in 2018, died in a prison in Hunan province. The new Measures on the Administration of Internet Religious Information Services came into effect in March, prohibiting individuals or groups from teaching or otherwise propagating religion online without official approval. A widely used Catholic app, CathAssist, shut down in August because it was unable to obtain a license. Authorities in Jilin province forcibly disappeared human rights lawyer Tang Jitian. A court in Shandong province held secret trials of prominent legal scholar Xu Zhiyong and human rights lawyer Ding Jiaxi for “subversion.” Their verdicts were unknown at time of writing. The men were detained in 2020 and 2019 respectively after organizing a small gathering to discuss human rights and democracy issues. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/china https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/china
      - helpfulContrib 3y ago
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        catiopatio 3y ago
        Do you get paid by the word, by the post, or are you actually this nuts and do this for free?
        dang 3y ago
        The flamewar comments you posted to this thread have been so hellish, and you have broken the site guidelines so egregiously, that I've banned this account. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments–but we have to moderate based on the worst things an account does, and what you did in this thread is completely not ok. Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Same for ideological flamewar and the other flavors too—and yes, the rules apply regardless of who you're for or against. If anyone would like confirmation of this, there's a counterparty to this comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37746615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37746615. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

palata 3y ago

Would you say that invading Irak in 2003 was a good thing and showed how the US system was perfect?

raverbashing 3y ago
"but other people do bad things" is not an excuse, it's just deflection
- palata 3y ago
  I hardly see how in that context I was using it as an excuse (you mean an excuse for China, right?). If anything, I am saying the opposite: the US can't use China as an excuse, because it has a history of also doing pretty bad things. In other words, I was answering to what I was understanding as: "Oh it's okay we invaded Irak, because China had Tiananmen".
pavlov 3y ago
The Iraq invasion was an atrocity no doubt. The difference is that, in the American system, the political faction that engineered that invasion has lost most of its power through a democratic mechanism. The Bush-era neoconservatives are not the dominant force in the Republican Party anymore. Trumpism is clearly opposed to foreign interventions. In the Chinese system, a similar reckoning about Tiananmen and other atrocities remains unthinkable. The one true Party must be on the correct path, and faith in that can’t be shaken. As broken as American democracy is, a two-party system fueled by private money is still much better than a single-party system that also controls the money.
- helpfulContrib 3y ago
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  - catiopatio 3y ago
    Dong Jianbiao, the father of Dong Yaoqiong, who authorities disappeared for splashing ink on a poster of President Xi Jinping in 2018, died in a prison in Hunan province. The new Measures on the Administration of Internet Religious Information Services came into effect in March, prohibiting individuals or groups from teaching or otherwise propagating religion online without official approval. A widely used Catholic app, CathAssist, shut down in August because it was unable to obtain a license. Authorities in Jilin province forcibly disappeared human rights lawyer Tang Jitian. A court in Shandong province held secret trials of prominent legal scholar Xu Zhiyong and human rights lawyer Ding Jiaxi for “subversion.” Their verdicts were unknown at time of writing. The men were detained in 2020 and 2019 respectively after organizing a small gathering to discuss human rights and democracy issues. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/china https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/china
    - helpfulContrib 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - catiopatio 3y ago
        Do you get paid by the word, by the post, or are you actually this nuts and do this for free?
        dang 3y ago
        The flamewar comments you posted to this thread have been so hellish, and you have broken the site guidelines so egregiously, that I've banned this account. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments–but we have to moderate based on the worst things an account does, and what you did in this thread is completely not ok. Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Same for ideological flamewar and the other flavors too—and yes, the rules apply regardless of who you're for or against. If anyone would like confirmation of this, there's a counterparty to this comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37746615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37746615. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.