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If you look at the actual countries, it is obvious that the young people not having kids are also relatively individualistic.
by pphysch 3y ago
If you look at the actual countries, it is obvious that the young people not having kids are also relatively individualistic.
- satvikpendem 3y agoHow is that obvious? Where are the statistics to show that they are individualistic?
- pphysch 3y agoI'm not going to spend a bunch of time digging up statistics for you, because I think it is obvious for anyone who has spent significant time in urban areas of developed countries. The youth are obviously individualistic, focused on short-term personal fulfillment, and building a family is the opposite of that. There just aren't throngs of young people living "traditionally" (non-individualistically) yet not having kids.
- satvikpendem 3y agoThere's nothing "obvious" about that. If it's so obvious, you should be able to "dig up statistics." Otherwise, you're just using your anecdotes as some statement of fact. I could do the same and you would be unable to refute them, but I don't think that makes for very engaging discussion on this forum, then.
- wesapien 3y agoNo way. Youth actually want to belong to a group and fit in unless they are comfortable being outcasts in school (to to college) and not having a social life. The youth are obsessed with cool things and trendy/hip things. They are the most easy target for marketing and sales.
- tuatoru 3y agoWell, again coming from a "female choice" perspective, young Chinese women are striving to have careers (or at least fun) before starting a family. They are being told to do this, and most people conform to expectations. (Choice doesn't mean fully independent first-principles decision making.) The rhetoric is still about "increasing female labor force participation".[1] For clarity, the thing you do first is your priority. This is known as "revealed preference" in economics. And careers are individual things, not collective. Also for background, fertility declines secularly from mid-teens to mid forties where it goes to zero. Waiting has two costs: you have fewer years in which to have children, and you are less likely to have them in each year. (There is a third one in increased risk of congenital illness in the child too.) Nearly every woman knows these things. 1. https://thechinaproject.com/2022/03/08/women-at-work-in-china-in-2022/ https://thechinaproject.com/2022/03/08/women-at-work-in-chin...
- wkat4242 3y agoSo.. The answer is not giving women any choice and have them produce babies on demand? Can you really not see how this doesn't work in modern society? Women fought hard to have rights.
- wesapien 3y agoWhere and what era you talking about this women baby machines?
- wkat4242 3y agoDepends on the country. In Holland this was about up until WWII. After that in Catholic areas. My dad was born after the war and from a family of 7. In other countries it continued even longer.
- wesapien 3y agoWhat does on demand mean exactly? Where they coerced?
- wkat4242 3y agoYes. By society (married women had to give up their government jobs until into the 60s!) and by the church. After a couple had their last kid about a year ago they'd get a visit from the priest to remind them there was still more 'work' to be done..
- ffgjgf1 3y ago> Chinese Exceptionally idiotic communist policies probably played a much bigger role. At least initially. If you ban families from having more than a single child and perform forced abortions or impose massive fines on those that dare to have a second one. Well.. I’m not sure what else you could expect
- mensetmanusman 3y agoUm, China destroys the hypothesis.