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Japan's an interesting case, as they're absolutely open to immigration, especially from closer countries (Philipines, Thailand etc.) to work in human intensive

Japan's an interesting case, as they're absolutely open to immigration, especially from closer countries (Philipines, Thailand etc.) to work in human intensive fields (e.g. assistance to elderly people) but don't want them to stay and build a life, so in these fields working visas are super easy to get but crazy hard to renew, and near impossible to convert to generic visas. Basically it's the classic have your cake and eat it too. A nitpick: > Newly arriving immigrants frequently lack the education to be easily absorbed into a highly skilled workforce. They'll often be highly qualified, though not proficient in the host culture. That's how you see so many Pilipino in the medical field. Or Indian people in IT etc. > Property ownership is poised to be more easily attainable It usually doesn't happen: general property value drops down, but as the population decreases the cities are restructured, and some portions of the land are completely abandonned. As a result, the amount of actually valuable property that are near active businesses in easy to live areas doesn't change much (or even decreases, as there's fewer working people)

golemiprague 3y ago
Why have your cake and eat it? It gives more people from poor countries to experience Japan and earn money there. Then they come back and have money to open businesses and more knowledge and exposure to first world practices. It also distribute the opportunity between more people rather than giving everything to few lucky ones while the rest don't get any opportunity to improve their lives. It also prevents all the obvious problems of integration and fractured society which affects second generation immigrants in many western countries. It's a win win situation for everybody.
alephnan 3y ago
> especially from closer countries (Philipines, Thailand etc.) This is akin to grouping Mexico with other Latin American countries when discussing American immigration. The situation is fundamentally on a country by country basis, rather than geographical proximity. What struck out to me is mentioning Thailand. There is literally 9x Vietnamese immigrants in Japan than Thai. Even Nepal is twice as many Thai. Then there’s Brazil. Meanwhile, Taiwan, despite having the proximity and cultural/social/political ties to Japan (I was at a Japanese island where I can literally see Taiwan’s mountain) is only the 10th. It’s not a matter of difference in socioeconomic development either. The top two immigrant countries to Japan is Korea and China. Proximity is a weak correlation. The commonality here is that these are Asian countries.
x3n0ph3n3 3y ago
> Japan's an interesting case, as they're absolutely open to immigration > working visas are super easy to get but crazy hard to renew That's not immigration, those are guest workers.
AnonCoward42 3y ago
> They'll often be highly qualified, though not proficient in the host culture. That's how you see so many Pilipino in the medical field. Or Indian people in IT etc. Immigrants with a certain heritage (MENAPT) are on average unqualified and are a burden on the host social system their whole life[1]. It's certainly what I can witness in Germany as well, however we actively seek to suppress any studies that could show this. Up until 2017 we had at least criminal statistics that showed that it's also a broader problem regarding crime[2], but we axed these statistics of course. [1]: The Economist: Why have Danes turned against immigration? (https://archive.ph/TSsQa https://archive.ph/TSsQa) [2]: German Police Crime Statistics 2017 (https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2017/pks2017_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...)
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  I tend to separate refugees and migrants, as the process and framing is very different. From a cursory look I'm not the only one [0]. In particular, in many countries refugees and asylum seeker can't do general work or have special conditions attached to it, so it's another whole can of worm. [0] https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/refugees-and-migrants-frequently-asked-questions-faqs https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/refugees-and-migrants-fre...
  - AnonCoward42 3y ago
    > I tend to separate refugees and migrants, as the process and framing is very different. From a cursory look I'm not the only one. This is certainly an important distinction, however refugees are a small minority of people coming here. Most come from countries that are classified safe* and most even pass several safe countries to come here, which makes them migrants by default. *: However, they could be in danger because of their religion, sexuality, race. It happens, but it is rare.

golemiprague 3y ago

Why have your cake and eat it? It gives more people from poor countries to experience Japan and earn money there. Then they come back and have money to open businesses and more knowledge and exposure to first world practices. It also distribute the opportunity between more people rather than giving everything to few lucky ones while the rest don't get any opportunity to improve their lives. It also prevents all the obvious problems of integration and fractured society which affects second generation immigrants in many western countries. It's a win win situation for everybody.

alephnan 3y ago

> especially from closer countries (Philipines, Thailand etc.) This is akin to grouping Mexico with other Latin American countries when discussing American immigration. The situation is fundamentally on a country by country basis, rather than geographical proximity. What struck out to me is mentioning Thailand. There is literally 9x Vietnamese immigrants in Japan than Thai. Even Nepal is twice as many Thai. Then there’s Brazil. Meanwhile, Taiwan, despite having the proximity and cultural/social/political ties to Japan (I was at a Japanese island where I can literally see Taiwan’s mountain) is only the 10th. It’s not a matter of difference in socioeconomic development either. The top two immigrant countries to Japan is Korea and China. Proximity is a weak correlation. The commonality here is that these are Asian countries.

x3n0ph3n3 3y ago

> Japan's an interesting case, as they're absolutely open to immigration > working visas are super easy to get but crazy hard to renew That's not immigration, those are guest workers.

AnonCoward42 3y ago

> They'll often be highly qualified, though not proficient in the host culture. That's how you see so many Pilipino in the medical field. Or Indian people in IT etc. Immigrants with a certain heritage (MENAPT) are on average unqualified and are a burden on the host social system their whole life[1]. It's certainly what I can witness in Germany as well, however we actively seek to suppress any studies that could show this. Up until 2017 we had at least criminal statistics that showed that it's also a broader problem regarding crime[2], but we axed these statistics of course. [1]: The Economist: Why have Danes turned against immigration? (https://archive.ph/TSsQa https://archive.ph/TSsQa) [2]: German Police Crime Statistics 2017 (https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2017/pks2017_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...)

makeitdouble 3y ago
I tend to separate refugees and migrants, as the process and framing is very different. From a cursory look I'm not the only one [0]. In particular, in many countries refugees and asylum seeker can't do general work or have special conditions attached to it, so it's another whole can of worm. [0] https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/refugees-and-migrants-frequently-asked-questions-faqs https://www.unhcr.org/news/stories/refugees-and-migrants-fre...
- AnonCoward42 3y ago
  > I tend to separate refugees and migrants, as the process and framing is very different. From a cursory look I'm not the only one. This is certainly an important distinction, however refugees are a small minority of people coming here. Most come from countries that are classified safe* and most even pass several safe countries to come here, which makes them migrants by default. *: However, they could be in danger because of their religion, sexuality, race. It happens, but it is rare.