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It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action. Given that we're talking about child rape, which is probabl

It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action. Given that we're talking about child rape, which is probably the most destructive thing for society, even a "should" is enough to take action. I'm astonished about the level of precaution here. What's next? We have no clear data about what would happen if we offered nuclear ICBM to Zimbabwe, so why not do it?

defrost 3y ago
It's equally well demonstrated that child psychologists can create CSAM and by your reasoning that will lead to rape. https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/australian-child-psychologist-faces-child-porn-charges-in-third-country/news-story/2c24a5ba8517b4972ea0a90faf6b053b https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/australian-child-psycho... I'm astonished about the level of precaution here. What's next? We have no clear data about what would happen in the future so why not ban all child psychologists?
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  Are you running of arguments? Is it complex? Don't create, own nor distribute CSAM. Why is this thread full of pedo apologists? lol next comment like this I'm going to send money to the EU MPs that want to scan all devices for CP.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Given this is my first comment in this thread and given I've been having forum discussion since pre-WWW usenet the answer is 'No, I am not "running of arguments" '. > Is it complex? Your trite CSAM --> pedo's "argument"? No, that's hardly complex, more overly simplistic and unbacked by actual data. > Why is this thread full of pedo apologists? Gosh, is that weak shade directed at myself? For the record I've no love for pedo's, I've worked with law enforcement to track pedo's, etc. What I dislike is weak, soft brained, unjoined up thinkings that lack sound data backing .. which this thread is also full of. Consider, for example, the despicable and depraved Brother Paul Francis Keaney, MBE, ISO (5 October 1888 – 26 February 1954). Well known paedophile offender, famously gave weight to the expression "Christian Buggers", oversaw a concentration camp dedicated to the perpertration of systematic rape of children, etc. Not once associated with CSAM.
- kanbara 3y ago
  if you keep posting the same thing in every reply to everyone in this thread, it won’t help. we can have a nuanced conversation about how you support making thought-crimes illegal, and how we alreasy know videogames dont cause violence, but somehow because children are involved we have to ban every single thing possible
  - defrost 3y ago
    What nonsense are you talking here? The comment you replied to was the first comment I made in this thread and the only comment in which I wrote that content, this is my third comment in this thread. Are you always this confused and misguided?
Tade0 3y ago
> It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action. Do you have a study on that that you can link to? I feel like so much of what is done in this space is based on what someone thinks would work, not what actually does, making us all waste time and effort. Very much like the "videogames cause violence" argument. Paedophiles existed before such materials became widely available. Arguably it was more common back then. What's the reason and how to stop it?

defrost 3y ago

It's equally well demonstrated that child psychologists can create CSAM and by your reasoning that will lead to rape. https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/australian-child-psychologist-faces-child-porn-charges-in-third-country/news-story/2c24a5ba8517b4972ea0a90faf6b053b https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/australian-child-psycho... I'm astonished about the level of precaution here. What's next? We have no clear data about what would happen in the future so why not ban all child psychologists?

Kretinsky 3y ago
Are you running of arguments? Is it complex? Don't create, own nor distribute CSAM. Why is this thread full of pedo apologists? lol next comment like this I'm going to send money to the EU MPs that want to scan all devices for CP.
- defrost 3y ago
  Given this is my first comment in this thread and given I've been having forum discussion since pre-WWW usenet the answer is 'No, I am not "running of arguments" '. > Is it complex? Your trite CSAM --> pedo's "argument"? No, that's hardly complex, more overly simplistic and unbacked by actual data. > Why is this thread full of pedo apologists? Gosh, is that weak shade directed at myself? For the record I've no love for pedo's, I've worked with law enforcement to track pedo's, etc. What I dislike is weak, soft brained, unjoined up thinkings that lack sound data backing .. which this thread is also full of. Consider, for example, the despicable and depraved Brother Paul Francis Keaney, MBE, ISO (5 October 1888 – 26 February 1954). Well known paedophile offender, famously gave weight to the expression "Christian Buggers", oversaw a concentration camp dedicated to the perpertration of systematic rape of children, etc. Not once associated with CSAM.
kanbara 3y ago
if you keep posting the same thing in every reply to everyone in this thread, it won’t help. we can have a nuanced conversation about how you support making thought-crimes illegal, and how we alreasy know videogames dont cause violence, but somehow because children are involved we have to ban every single thing possible
- defrost 3y ago
  What nonsense are you talking here? The comment you replied to was the first comment I made in this thread and the only comment in which I wrote that content, this is my third comment in this thread. Are you always this confused and misguided?

Tade0 3y ago

> It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action. Do you have a study on that that you can link to? I feel like so much of what is done in this space is based on what someone thinks would work, not what actually does, making us all waste time and effort. Very much like the "videogames cause violence" argument. Paedophiles existed before such materials became widely available. Arguably it was more common back then. What's the reason and how to stop it?