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> what is really keeping you from experiencing the dharma body of the Buddha What makes you think dharma body is more real than Santa Claus?

gchamonlive 3y ago
If you think quality is real then you probably saw the dharma body's reflection already. It is as real as all the ghosts we perceive with our consciousness mind knife. Gravity, light, music... are they real? Why? Because they affect the world we perceive in meaningful ways? Then why is Santa not real when it manifests itself in the holiday every year? If the idea of the spaghetti monster makes you fast every fortnight it has a real impact on you, the same way that believing earth was the center of the universe influenced the people around Galileo at the time until he proved it was a meaningless ghost.
- fishtacos 3y ago
  Quantity is "qualitatively" measurable. As is gravity, light, music, etc. That is something we can ascribe methods of discovery toward, we can measure, we can collectively, as human beings, or even otherwise (a cat has instincts to widen and flatten itself for reduction of acceleration via increasing its circumference, and braces itself upon landing before impact, e.g.) do so. Santa Claus, or any spiritual concept or belief, is not measurable in any objective way. An idea is simply that - an idea. An abstract concept that we internalize consciously or subconsciously. Am having trouble understanding the pseudo-intellectual argument being used here. If Santa Claus is as real a trees to one, at what point does one draw a conclusion that it's an untenable argument vs. acceptance of anything/everything possible, including unicorns?
  - hnfong 3y ago
    Are you saying “if we don’t know how to measure something, we declare it as unreal and pretend it doesn’t exist”? I mean, yes that’s precisely one of the main reasons why the spirit stuff is not accepted in science (can’t be effectively measured in a lab), but it’s surprising how people can just boldly declare a head in sand approach to things they don’t understand..
    - fishtacos 3y ago
      How does one understand something that is immeasurable? It's a confounding anomaly in logic for those who aren't privy to your subjective interpretations... As in, what are you talking about? It's nonsense from an outsider's perspective. What key do you hold that unlocks this other universe of experience besides wishful thinking and subjective interpretation?
      - gchamonlive 3y ago
        > How does one understand something that is immeasurable? We understand love as well as hate. > What key do you hold that unlocks this other universe of experience besides wishful thinking and subjective interpretation? We don't hold this key yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
prometheus76 3y ago
https://youtu.be/zPdHPEqmB9g?si=W9guF4EU2J1qoJD4 https://youtu.be/zPdHPEqmB9g?si=W9guF4EU2J1qoJD4

gchamonlive 3y ago

If you think quality is real then you probably saw the dharma body's reflection already. It is as real as all the ghosts we perceive with our consciousness mind knife. Gravity, light, music... are they real? Why? Because they affect the world we perceive in meaningful ways? Then why is Santa not real when it manifests itself in the holiday every year? If the idea of the spaghetti monster makes you fast every fortnight it has a real impact on you, the same way that believing earth was the center of the universe influenced the people around Galileo at the time until he proved it was a meaningless ghost.

fishtacos 3y ago
Quantity is "qualitatively" measurable. As is gravity, light, music, etc. That is something we can ascribe methods of discovery toward, we can measure, we can collectively, as human beings, or even otherwise (a cat has instincts to widen and flatten itself for reduction of acceleration via increasing its circumference, and braces itself upon landing before impact, e.g.) do so. Santa Claus, or any spiritual concept or belief, is not measurable in any objective way. An idea is simply that - an idea. An abstract concept that we internalize consciously or subconsciously. Am having trouble understanding the pseudo-intellectual argument being used here. If Santa Claus is as real a trees to one, at what point does one draw a conclusion that it's an untenable argument vs. acceptance of anything/everything possible, including unicorns?
- hnfong 3y ago
  Are you saying “if we don’t know how to measure something, we declare it as unreal and pretend it doesn’t exist”? I mean, yes that’s precisely one of the main reasons why the spirit stuff is not accepted in science (can’t be effectively measured in a lab), but it’s surprising how people can just boldly declare a head in sand approach to things they don’t understand..
  - fishtacos 3y ago
    How does one understand something that is immeasurable? It's a confounding anomaly in logic for those who aren't privy to your subjective interpretations... As in, what are you talking about? It's nonsense from an outsider's perspective. What key do you hold that unlocks this other universe of experience besides wishful thinking and subjective interpretation?
    - gchamonlive 3y ago
      > How does one understand something that is immeasurable? We understand love as well as hate. > What key do you hold that unlocks this other universe of experience besides wishful thinking and subjective interpretation? We don't hold this key yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

prometheus76 3y ago

https://youtu.be/zPdHPEqmB9g?si=W9guF4EU2J1qoJD4 https://youtu.be/zPdHPEqmB9g?si=W9guF4EU2J1qoJD4