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What do you mean by locked away? He could have left, it didn't say it was a forensic psychiatry.
by xkcd1963 3y ago
What do you mean by locked away? He could have left, it didn't say it was a forensic psychiatry.
- masfuerte 3y agoGood luck getting out of a psychiatric hospital when nobody understands a word you are saying.
- xkcd1963 3y agoMy objection to your previous message is that you must be assuming he was locked away. If this was the case, why was he let go to Hungary?
- H8crilA 3y agoThere are different types of patients in psychiatric hospitals. It depends on the institution but usually the majority of them are not psychotic at all but rather have affective disorders, personality disorders or addictions (or a combination). They can exist in the outside world just fine if there's a fitting place for them, think of a cocaine or alcohol addict that even manages to keep up with their high income career. There just wasn't a place for him - until he was repatriated. It is really shocking that he never picked up Russian. I understand that Russian and Hungarian are almost as different as Japanese and Hungarian, but he should be able to learn the language just by hearing it.
- smsm42 3y agoI think he didn't pick Russian because the staff didn't bother to talk to him. So he didn't have much to hear.
- apt-get 3y ago> A Czech linguist of Slovak descent, Karol Moravčík, identified him as Hungarian, and on 11 August 2000, Toma arrived back in Hungary where his family was identified through DNA matching. Someone else recognized the language he was speaking, and that it wasn't actually gibberish (and so he wasn't some crazy old man).
- crooked-v 3y agoHe was let go to Hungary after fifty-three years, when a Czech visitor coincidentally discovered that he spoke Hungarian.
- xkcd1963 3y agoStill that is not what we understand under "locked away".
- ffgjgf1 3y agoPresumably after the collapse of the USSR Russia stopped using psychiatric hospitals as alternatives to gulags/prisons?
- xkcd1963 3y agosend us some sources
- philkrylov 3y agoRight. At least for some time...
- ffgjgf1 3y agoThey just seem to be fine with putting dissidents into normal prisons these days? Something even the USSR was pussyfooting around in its later stages…
- smsm42 3y agoNot systematically, but those still were the same institutions, with same staff and management, same warm and welcoming care traditions, etc. So I'm not sure their approach changed drastically.
- mhh__ 3y agoEven if they do there are famous stories about how hard it is to be seen as sane the moment it's suspected you're not. For example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
- xkcd1963 3y ago[flagged]
- vilunov 3y agoPsychiatric hospitals in Russia/USSR (психушка) are virtually prisons, they were often used to involuntarily hold political prisoners.
- adonovan 3y ago> Psychiatric hospitals in Russia/USSR (психушка) are virtually prisons, they were often used to involuntarily hold political prisoners. Indeed. The fact that no-one among the entire staff of the hospital over all those decades endeavored even to identify the patient's only language tells you that it was not a hospital.
- flashback2199 3y agoYeah, even in the US people used to get trapped in psychiatric hospitals. It wasn't until the law chipped away at the legal ability to keep patients that changed.
- smeej 3y agoAnother link someone posted said for the first 30+ years, there were other Hungarian patients he could speak to, so it isn't like they didn't know.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoRussia is quite known of moving people to rural areas from another country they are at war with. Displacing locals and moving Russians in, they claim the local population is ethnic Russians... Getting away is not easy