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That is not a bed, that's just a flat and fucking uncomfortable surface Would you really want to stay on a surface with no barriers for you to block from fall

by Iulioh 3y ago

That is not a bed, that's just a flat and fucking uncomfortable surface Would you really want to stay on a surface with no barriers for you to block from falling down while sick? Turn around and you will be thankful for the medical staff already present

bloopernova 3y ago
If you're a refugee you might be glad of a place to lie down that's not on the cold floor. Or dirty. Sure the comfort level is pretty low, but maybe futon style mats could be used?
roughly 3y ago
They spent half the article describing what this is replacing and every picture of it in any realistic situation has mat on top of it.
- Iulioh 3y ago
  Sorry but i see a very cost efficient waste of money
  - dukeyukey 3y ago
    If that's all the local industry can produce, it's better than nothing.
    - Iulioh 3y ago
      Honestly i could even argue that in fact it is not better than nothing. A bad solution is a problem because it would lead to not providing a good solution.
      - palmer_fox 3y ago
        This is a puzzling display of confidence. Have you ever slept on the ground after a long hard day of dealing with a natural or a man-made disaster? Getting into ANY bed is the only thing you can think about (this plus eating, of course). Being able to distribute 10K beds on the day they are first needed is an incredible advantage over having to wait for several days for more comfortable beds (it's not even clear whether they are indeed more comfortable).
        Iulioh 3y ago
        Yeah, i would prefer a pile of random clothing on the ground to a fucking box i could fall from anytime i sneeze
      - dukeyukey 3y ago
        Would you prefer to sleep on the ground for a month before getting a camp-bed, or get one of these inside 24 hours? That's the trade-off here.
    - ccooffee 3y ago
      If the "Cardboard Bed" was to be produced and used in the local area, I'd be a fan. Instead, these are created somewhere else and brought in. From the article: > "The cost of 1,000 beds for a refugee camp ranges from €100,000 to €200,000 (US$110 to $220) and it takes up to two weeks to produce them, another two weeks to ship them (by land or sea) and more than 24 hours to install and set them up”, said Juan Sanz, Humanitaria’s CEO. Humanitaria seems like they need to work on streamlining their manufacturing process if a thousand beds takes two weeks to produce. At 8 hours a day, 5 days a week this suggests 1000/80 = 12.5 beds per hour. This manufacturing appears to be simply cutting cardboard and packaging it. I'm really hoping this 12.5 beds per hour (one bed every 5 minutes) is inexperienced manual labor from one worker. If Humanitaria _is_ actually automating this process in their centralized location, why is it so slow? At the scales/speeds they are operating on, these beds cannot be produced rapidly in response to a crisis. Given the constant harping on low cost, I'm skeptical that these beds are actually even a good idea. I'm skeptical of the motivation to make a cut-every-corner "solution" for bedding needs. Are 1000 of these beds actually more useful than 100 more rugged beds? Outside of emergency situations which Humanitaria cannot produce sufficient quantities for, I'd prefer 100 real beds to 1000 cardboard beds.
      - kahunalu 3y ago
        > "By comparison, 1,000 Humanitaria beds cost $17,000, can be produced in hours on existing, readily-available packaging machinery in every major city in the world, delivered folded flat by plane next day and can be set up in 20 minutes. The first 24 hours is critical in disaster response and this invention brings massive promise!" You misinterpretted that portion of the artical, the CEO is contrasting their beds to what 1000 beds currently take to set-up.
      - palmer_fox 3y ago
        I am sorry? You would "prefer" 100 real beds to 1000 cardboard beds when there is a need for 1000 beds? That's nice, the rest 900 people can sleep on the ground as along as this is your preference.
        throw9away6 3y ago

by Iulioh 3y ago

bloopernova 3y ago

If you're a refugee you might be glad of a place to lie down that's not on the cold floor. Or dirty. Sure the comfort level is pretty low, but maybe futon style mats could be used?

roughly 3y ago

They spent half the article describing what this is replacing and every picture of it in any realistic situation has mat on top of it.

Iulioh 3y ago
Sorry but i see a very cost efficient waste of money
- dukeyukey 3y ago
  If that's all the local industry can produce, it's better than nothing.
  - Iulioh 3y ago
    Honestly i could even argue that in fact it is not better than nothing. A bad solution is a problem because it would lead to not providing a good solution.
    - palmer_fox 3y ago
      This is a puzzling display of confidence. Have you ever slept on the ground after a long hard day of dealing with a natural or a man-made disaster? Getting into ANY bed is the only thing you can think about (this plus eating, of course). Being able to distribute 10K beds on the day they are first needed is an incredible advantage over having to wait for several days for more comfortable beds (it's not even clear whether they are indeed more comfortable).
      - Iulioh 3y ago
        Yeah, i would prefer a pile of random clothing on the ground to a fucking box i could fall from anytime i sneeze
    - dukeyukey 3y ago
      Would you prefer to sleep on the ground for a month before getting a camp-bed, or get one of these inside 24 hours? That's the trade-off here.
  - ccooffee 3y ago
    If the "Cardboard Bed" was to be produced and used in the local area, I'd be a fan. Instead, these are created somewhere else and brought in. From the article: > "The cost of 1,000 beds for a refugee camp ranges from €100,000 to €200,000 (US$110 to $220) and it takes up to two weeks to produce them, another two weeks to ship them (by land or sea) and more than 24 hours to install and set them up”, said Juan Sanz, Humanitaria’s CEO. Humanitaria seems like they need to work on streamlining their manufacturing process if a thousand beds takes two weeks to produce. At 8 hours a day, 5 days a week this suggests 1000/80 = 12.5 beds per hour. This manufacturing appears to be simply cutting cardboard and packaging it. I'm really hoping this 12.5 beds per hour (one bed every 5 minutes) is inexperienced manual labor from one worker. If Humanitaria _is_ actually automating this process in their centralized location, why is it so slow? At the scales/speeds they are operating on, these beds cannot be produced rapidly in response to a crisis. Given the constant harping on low cost, I'm skeptical that these beds are actually even a good idea. I'm skeptical of the motivation to make a cut-every-corner "solution" for bedding needs. Are 1000 of these beds actually more useful than 100 more rugged beds? Outside of emergency situations which Humanitaria cannot produce sufficient quantities for, I'd prefer 100 real beds to 1000 cardboard beds.
    - kahunalu 3y ago
      > "By comparison, 1,000 Humanitaria beds cost $17,000, can be produced in hours on existing, readily-available packaging machinery in every major city in the world, delivered folded flat by plane next day and can be set up in 20 minutes. The first 24 hours is critical in disaster response and this invention brings massive promise!" You misinterpretted that portion of the artical, the CEO is contrasting their beds to what 1000 beds currently take to set-up.
    - palmer_fox 3y ago
      I am sorry? You would "prefer" 100 real beds to 1000 cardboard beds when there is a need for 1000 beds? That's nice, the rest 900 people can sleep on the ground as along as this is your preference.
      - throw9away6 3y ago