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This has been a huge scam with contracting agencies, to the point I've had to reject some offers because the firm had a history of this. The stinky part is tha

This has been a huge scam with contracting agencies, to the point I've had to reject some offers because the firm had a history of this. The stinky part is that it's entirely out of your control. Say BigCorp hires WorkCo to staff up 30 positions with LevelIV skill. WorkCo grabs a bunch of people it thinks are LevelIII, sends them out an Official Uptrain Packet[1] to get them to LevelIV. Then BigCorp decides, eh, nah, we'll staff it internally - they pay the penalty to WorkCo and go on their way. Then WorkCo ditches the new hires, charges them for the LevelIV upskill package they sent out. You'll note that there is zero downside risk for WorkCo here. How much do they charge? Haha, no one knows. None of these skill levels are documented consistently per-company - the GSO has rules, but they're circumvented constantly with all sorts of horseshit adjustments. [1] Who certifies these is a VERY interesting thing indeed

downrightmike 3y ago
Google isn't finding anything relevant for your [1]
- MilStdJunkie 3y ago
  Without risking poisoning the well against a powerful organization that more or less shapes my industry, it rhymes with "Thai Escrow'". The cert business has gotten extremely hinky last decade or so, with an explosion of "print your own spec" services, that give you a paper trail to rack up charges, like with these bogus *#$! training packages that get sent out. Hold up a sec. How do these certs stay active? Weeeelllll . . that's linked to how Thai Escrow governance works. It's pretty bad. W3C seems like a hothouse of benevolence in comparison.
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    Why would you not name it? Especially if they're bad.
    - pkage 3y ago
      I'm going to guess it's ISO.
      - MilStdJunkie 3y ago
        I'll cough once for yes.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    You should just give the name. I’m not sure how insinuation and rhyme makes it less poisoning of the well.
    - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
      Harder to use automated tools to correlate the account and the information I'd guess
      - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        What?
  - PNewling 3y ago
    I promise I'm not trying to be daft, I honestly don't know what you're saying. Is there anyway you could be more concrete, or give me something to search more on? I searched for rhymes with "Thai Escrow" and I get nothing.
konschubert 3y ago
How can you be charged for training that your employer made you go through?
- stevenwoo 3y ago
  One example off top of my head is trucking. The company can say no experience required but you have to pay for training and training materials. It works out that one employee can barely support oneself in such a business arrangement and one is beholden to the company and there can be financial penalties for quitting early. It got such a bad rap there was a Planet money podcast about it https://www.npr.org/2020/08/10/901110994/big-rigged https://www.npr.org/2020/08/10/901110994/big-rigged
- MilStdJunkie 3y ago
  Training Repayment Agreement Provisions (TRAPs). It's the hot new thing. Tell someone they're hired, insert a harmless looking little clause[1], have 'em sign the paperwork, send 'em a training packet, then WHOOPSIE the client didn't need you after all and you owe us 30,000 smackaroonies. Honestly, since the job seeker is explicitly prohibited from contacting the client independently, I'm amazed that this isn't a more common con. Like, why not just ditch the idea of having a client at all, and just prey on the job seekers? Probably because that's a little more on the "definitely illegal" side, because you have to lie about a client needing headcount[2]. What you can do, completely legally, is overhire on a client whim, since overhiring literally makes you money. [1] "Oh this? It's industry standard for the client. Just a government thing. Look, here's our Official Certification. Everyone signs it." [2] EDIT or, as a dedicated scammer, you could have a fake client too. Make it sound really official. "LEGACY AERO", "LONG RADIO CORPORATION", "OLD-TIMEY TOTALLY AMERICAN-SPEAKING TRUCKING COMPANY". Or make it sound religious! Be ready for lawyers with an actual business-looking fake client that's . . awww . . just on Hard Times. Also, be a worthless piece of human-shaped filth. That's the first prerequisite.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    if a company terminates the employee then any repay clauses should become void. that's the case in germany for example. repay clauses only trigger if the employee quits without cause.

downrightmike 3y ago

Google isn't finding anything relevant for your [1]

MilStdJunkie 3y ago
Without risking poisoning the well against a powerful organization that more or less shapes my industry, it rhymes with "Thai Escrow'". The cert business has gotten extremely hinky last decade or so, with an explosion of "print your own spec" services, that give you a paper trail to rack up charges, like with these bogus *#$! training packages that get sent out. Hold up a sec. How do these certs stay active? Weeeelllll . . that's linked to how Thai Escrow governance works. It's pretty bad. W3C seems like a hothouse of benevolence in comparison.
- ajkjk 3y ago
  Why would you not name it? Especially if they're bad.
  - pkage 3y ago
    I'm going to guess it's ISO.
    - MilStdJunkie 3y ago
      I'll cough once for yes.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  You should just give the name. I’m not sure how insinuation and rhyme makes it less poisoning of the well.
  - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
    Harder to use automated tools to correlate the account and the information I'd guess
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      What?
- PNewling 3y ago
  I promise I'm not trying to be daft, I honestly don't know what you're saying. Is there anyway you could be more concrete, or give me something to search more on? I searched for rhymes with "Thai Escrow" and I get nothing.

konschubert 3y ago

How can you be charged for training that your employer made you go through?

stevenwoo 3y ago
One example off top of my head is trucking. The company can say no experience required but you have to pay for training and training materials. It works out that one employee can barely support oneself in such a business arrangement and one is beholden to the company and there can be financial penalties for quitting early. It got such a bad rap there was a Planet money podcast about it https://www.npr.org/2020/08/10/901110994/big-rigged https://www.npr.org/2020/08/10/901110994/big-rigged
MilStdJunkie 3y ago
Training Repayment Agreement Provisions (TRAPs). It's the hot new thing. Tell someone they're hired, insert a harmless looking little clause[1], have 'em sign the paperwork, send 'em a training packet, then WHOOPSIE the client didn't need you after all and you owe us 30,000 smackaroonies. Honestly, since the job seeker is explicitly prohibited from contacting the client independently, I'm amazed that this isn't a more common con. Like, why not just ditch the idea of having a client at all, and just prey on the job seekers? Probably because that's a little more on the "definitely illegal" side, because you have to lie about a client needing headcount[2]. What you can do, completely legally, is overhire on a client whim, since overhiring literally makes you money. [1] "Oh this? It's industry standard for the client. Just a government thing. Look, here's our Official Certification. Everyone signs it." [2] EDIT or, as a dedicated scammer, you could have a fake client too. Make it sound really official. "LEGACY AERO", "LONG RADIO CORPORATION", "OLD-TIMEY TOTALLY AMERICAN-SPEAKING TRUCKING COMPANY". Or make it sound religious! Be ready for lawyers with an actual business-looking fake client that's . . awww . . just on Hard Times. Also, be a worthless piece of human-shaped filth. That's the first prerequisite.
- em-bee 3y ago
  if a company terminates the employee then any repay clauses should become void. that's the case in germany for example. repay clauses only trigger if the employee quits without cause.