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The assertion is not that this isn't a sign that a person might harm somebody regardless of their access to the images, or that looking at these images increase
by happytoexplain 3y ago
The assertion is not that this isn't a sign that a person might harm somebody regardless of their access to the images, or that looking at these images increases their likelihood of harming somebody. Those are big arguments and I have no idea what the data says.
There's a separate issue, which is that it's highly uncivilized and dangerous to imprison people for what is essentially thought crime (the important caveats here being that he did not distribute the images and that they were not produced by harming anybody), but also his behavior is highly disturbing because of the emotional nature of the crime that it might indicate a preclusion to. Those two factors come into very strong conflict.
Personally I think codified punishment of being "disgusting" or "appearing to want to do something illegal" is a vastly greater evil than looking at fake child porn, both morally and practically. Of course, ultimately the people constituting a society decide (indirectly) what is illegal, and their morality-emotions will unavoidably be expressed in laws as far as their framework allows (e.g. the constitution).
However, if enough members of the society align on the same morality-emotions, you can reach a critical mass that allows for changing the framework, which is the real terror I feel when I see stories like this.
- Kretinsky 3y agoYou mean TV advertising is useless then? This is probably one the most researched question of the modern world and you know the answer.
- kergonath 3y agoStudies have been looking into this effect (whether media consumption leads to more violent behaviour). They did not find anything. Death metal does not turn people into church-burning Satan worshiper, Doom did not cause Columbine, Hollywood movies did not increase homicide rates, and there hasn’t been an explosion of rape cases as porn became ubiquitous. Stop moving the goalposts and your transparents appeals to emotion all over the discussion. If you have data or sources, show them.
- Kretinsky 3y agohttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant" Also, would you argue that culture has no effect on behaviors? What a strange take.
- imchillyb 3y agoNo causation, only correlation. Hey here’s one for you: Every porn addict, pedophile, and rapist drinks water. If you drink water then you’re a rapist!!! See how ludicrous your statements are… all over this thread. You keep repeating the same correlative results as causative and the causation has been debunked by the entire world’s scientists. Doom didn’t make kids shoot up a school. Mission impossible didn’t create an entire generation of super spies. And porn didn’t create rapists. Quit with your complete BS, @kretinsky