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I was thinking about this a while back about how people claim it needs to be based on CSAM/CSEM in order for it to generate these kind of images, which I don't

by Jigsy 3y ago

I was thinking about this a while back about how people claim it needs to be based on CSAM/CSEM in order for it to generate these kind of images, which I don't buy because that would make every single model illegal to possess by default. However if we take something like bestiality for example, the AI is going to know what a naked woman looks like and what a dog looks like all without having to be trained on bestiality. But if you're to generate those two words in a sexual context it suddenly becomes illegal (at least in certain countries) because of... flimsy reasons.

nottheengineer 3y ago
Shortly after DALL-E 2 launched, social media was flooded with images from DALL-E mini that just showed weird combinations of things that shouldn't be combined. This is exactly what AI is good at, so it definitely doesn't need to be trained on child porn to produce it.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago
  Entire topic is so much more complex. I had to explain to my wife, many times, that it is absolutely not a good idea to send me nude pics of my own kids playing while bathing. I had to explain that context (the photo in man's photo library vs the photo on mother's phone) is in fact important and can cause a lot of problem for me. We are asking to clearly delineate on problems that real people can't already do.
  - brewtide 3y ago
    But it shouldn't be a problem for you. (Not saying it wouldn't be / is not, but should not be). As a single Dad of two elementary aged children, I'm now used to getting the weird glances from other parents on the playground, when I'm either sitting on a swing/bench keeping tabs of them ripping around a playground or in fact playing with them on the playground itself. I shouldn't immediately be eyeballed with the obvious skepticism of others, but I am. On a similar note, in a VERY small town, one isn't able to just go into the school office to talk to the secretary, you likely have to be "buzzed in", and or have the chat via intercom system. It isn't welcoming, and feels more like a prison, honestly. Again, this is in a very small town,bin a very unpopulated state. We are so afraid of the dark that we're causing a whole new world of problems for everyone, and at the same time barely making a dent in the horrible articles that plaster "the news". Sorry, a bit of a ranting, but man the path we are headed on is so damn bleak.
jeroenhd 3y ago
Putting up a poster of a gorilla is legal, putting up a poster of a black man is illegal, but photoshopping the man's face onto the monkey is hate speech. Laws don't care how you got your illegal material, they just care about what you have and how you got it. The AI isn't the one under arrest here, so I don't think it matters what the AI "knows" in this case. Legislation and ethical considerations often come years after new technology gets released, but in this case I think AI companies went too far too quickly. If you put an image generator online and you can't answer the question "how do you prevent people from generating pictures of <insert vile topic here>" then you either lack ethics, or decided that leaving the ethical question unanswered is less important than serving your own bottom line. The genie is out of the bottle now, but this could've been prevented.

by Jigsy 3y ago

nottheengineer 3y ago

Shortly after DALL-E 2 launched, social media was flooded with images from DALL-E mini that just showed weird combinations of things that shouldn't be combined. This is exactly what AI is good at, so it definitely doesn't need to be trained on child porn to produce it.

onetimeuse92304 3y ago
Entire topic is so much more complex. I had to explain to my wife, many times, that it is absolutely not a good idea to send me nude pics of my own kids playing while bathing. I had to explain that context (the photo in man's photo library vs the photo on mother's phone) is in fact important and can cause a lot of problem for me. We are asking to clearly delineate on problems that real people can't already do.
- brewtide 3y ago
  But it shouldn't be a problem for you. (Not saying it wouldn't be / is not, but should not be). As a single Dad of two elementary aged children, I'm now used to getting the weird glances from other parents on the playground, when I'm either sitting on a swing/bench keeping tabs of them ripping around a playground or in fact playing with them on the playground itself. I shouldn't immediately be eyeballed with the obvious skepticism of others, but I am. On a similar note, in a VERY small town, one isn't able to just go into the school office to talk to the secretary, you likely have to be "buzzed in", and or have the chat via intercom system. It isn't welcoming, and feels more like a prison, honestly. Again, this is in a very small town,bin a very unpopulated state. We are so afraid of the dark that we're causing a whole new world of problems for everyone, and at the same time barely making a dent in the horrible articles that plaster "the news". Sorry, a bit of a ranting, but man the path we are headed on is so damn bleak.

jeroenhd 3y ago

Putting up a poster of a gorilla is legal, putting up a poster of a black man is illegal, but photoshopping the man's face onto the monkey is hate speech. Laws don't care how you got your illegal material, they just care about what you have and how you got it. The AI isn't the one under arrest here, so I don't think it matters what the AI "knows" in this case. Legislation and ethical considerations often come years after new technology gets released, but in this case I think AI companies went too far too quickly. If you put an image generator online and you can't answer the question "how do you prevent people from generating pictures of <insert vile topic here>" then you either lack ethics, or decided that leaving the ethical question unanswered is less important than serving your own bottom line. The genie is out of the bottle now, but this could've been prevented.