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Plus it kills the demand for real child porn. But people would rather get rid of the ick than stop child rape. Take away the emotional fog, and humans understan

Plus it kills the demand for real child porn. But people would rather get rid of the ick than stop child rape. Take away the emotional fog, and humans understand this, such as the effort to create fake rhino horns to make poaching uneconomical: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-company-3-d-printed-rhino-horns-help-slow-down-poaching/7523775002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact... *I don't buy the tortured logic in that article that "such production would create opportunities for laundering real wildlife products as cultured products" - if the fake horn is cheaper to make, that's like laundering blood diamonds as coal, at coal's price point. "Another concern is that the fake horns could drive up the demand for real horns. The status that came with owning a real horn would increase as fake horns become commonly available to everyone" likewise doesn't make sense. How could one tell something is indeed a real horn, and not a fake? And why do fakes make real horns more desirable than they were before? Does Rolex encourage counterfeits, to raise their own prices? It also talks only of "ownership", when horns are used for medicine, not just status. I get the impression they worked backwards from their conclusion to find this logic.

Tade0 3y ago
If the experience from what normally happens to new drugs is anything to go by, the dealers eventually start producing their own fake horns, sell them as real, to the point where there's hardly anyone left who knows how a real one looks like. Eventually poaching for real horns becomes too expensive and not really worth the trouble.
jeroenhd 3y ago
The fake horn project isn't very successful so far, so perhaps that's not the greatest comparison. The easy availability of generated porn does increase the chances of normalising abhorrent behaviour. AI is also restricted to pictures and writing at the moment, you can't generate videos. If the demand of CSAM does actually go down, I'm all for AI generated CSAM. However, we have little indication that it does, other than "it makes sense that it would".
- Jigsy 3y ago
  > However, we have little indication that it does [...] Probably because it's one of those things that nobody wants to find out. Especially in countries that have "for-profit" prison systems. The UK is probably a great example of this. They - the government - fired their drugs advisor because he returned an answer they didn't want to hear.
Kretinsky 3y ago
Or you'll get more people hooked on the worst porn, and those with less impulse control will enact their desires. Desire for Rhino horns is nothing like pedophilia, which leads to arguably one of the worst consequences on society.

Tade0 3y ago

If the experience from what normally happens to new drugs is anything to go by, the dealers eventually start producing their own fake horns, sell them as real, to the point where there's hardly anyone left who knows how a real one looks like. Eventually poaching for real horns becomes too expensive and not really worth the trouble.

jeroenhd 3y ago

The fake horn project isn't very successful so far, so perhaps that's not the greatest comparison. The easy availability of generated porn does increase the chances of normalising abhorrent behaviour. AI is also restricted to pictures and writing at the moment, you can't generate videos. If the demand of CSAM does actually go down, I'm all for AI generated CSAM. However, we have little indication that it does, other than "it makes sense that it would".

Jigsy 3y ago
> However, we have little indication that it does [...] Probably because it's one of those things that nobody wants to find out. Especially in countries that have "for-profit" prison systems. The UK is probably a great example of this. They - the government - fired their drugs advisor because he returned an answer they didn't want to hear.

Kretinsky 3y ago

Or you'll get more people hooked on the worst porn, and those with less impulse control will enact their desires. Desire for Rhino horns is nothing like pedophilia, which leads to arguably one of the worst consequences on society.