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A lot of straw-grasping. The whole thing "commercial activity" thing, for example. The legal guide says: > on a case by case basis taking into account the regu
by uxp8u61q 3y ago
A lot of straw-grasping. The whole thing "commercial activity" thing, for example. The legal guide says:
> on a case by case basis taking into account the regularity of the supplies, the characteristics of the product, the intentions of the supplier, etc. In principle, occasional supplies by charities or hobbyists should not be considered as taking place in a business related context.
And apparently the author decided to ignore everything but "regularity of the supplies" and decided that a widely used product that makes regular releases is commercial activity. Sorry, but I'm absolutely not convinced. "Characteristics of the product" and "intentions of the supplier" is already very broad and you could easily argue that a non-commercial open-source project is, well, not classified as open-source according to the regulation.
The author also truncated the paragraph about open source from the regulation. Here it is in its entirety:
> In order not to hamper innovation or research, free and open-source software
developed or supplied outside the course of a commercial activity should not be
covered by this Regulation. This is in particular the case for software, including its source code and modified versions, that is openly shared and freely accessible, usable, modifiable and redistributable. In the context of software, a commercial activity might be characterized not only by charging a price for a product, but also by charging a price for technical support services, by providing a software platform through which the manufacturer monetises other services, or by the use of personal data for reasons other than exclusively for improving the security, compatibility or interoperability of the software.
It is absolutely clear that the EU has thought about open-source software and is intent on not harming the ecosystem with its regulation. But it is stating the obvious: if you write free, open-source software, but you charge for support, then yes, you're engaging in a commercial activity! You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You want to take money from EU consumers? Abide by the EU rules and ensure that the products you distribute comply with the regulations. You don't want to deal with that? Don't take the money. It's as simple as that.
Every single link to a reaction from a foundation or developer in this newsletter is in that vein: complaining that they want to continue taking money for support or a platform but avoid falling under the "commercial" category. That just doesn't work.
Sorry for the rant but I'm genuinely upset. The EU wants to protect me, an EU customer, from vendors who sell software or software support contract but don't take cybersecurity seriously. They've recognized that OSS is special and even went as far as making special exceptions for it - but without allowing loopholes where vendors hide behind open-source to avoid liability. And yet, what do we get? EU bashing. Because apparently the only good regulation is no regulation. I don't want to live in a libertarian hellhole. If you do, don't force it upon me, and abide by the local law if you want to do business with me.
- DrDroop 3y agoI would not call a world where software is less regulated then is proposed a "libertarian hellhole".
- tenthirtyam 3y agoI suppose one choice would be to separate any current open-source development company with support services into two independent parts. One part will continue developing the software, funded exclusively by donations. The other part will offer commercial support for the software and at the same time make generous donations to the developer part. It could conceivably work in the consumer's favour assuming the commercial entity is at liberty to choose alternative software stacks for whatever problem the software solves; overlapping boards-of-management and vendor lock-in are the things to watch for.
- em-bee 3y agowhich would be no different than me selling support for software i didn't write.
- zugi 3y ago> The EU wants to protect me, an EU customer, from vendors who sell software or software support contract but don't take cybersecurity seriously No, the EU wants to make it illegal for you to buy what you want and instead force you to buy what they want you to have, or buy nothing. Never mind the clear adverse affects of this law on small developers, who will find it difficult and expensive to navigate the new rules. This law will be a boon to big, expensive software providers who can dedicate whole departments to bureaucratic compliance.
- uxp8u61q 3y ago"The EU" is people I have voted for.
- jokethrowaway 3y agoThere are way too many layers between you and the decision makers. It's a straight up oligarchy. People don't feel like the governments of their own countries are representing them, let alone ANOTHER super government organisation. Most people don't even know the names of the EU representatives of their countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E... You can see proof of that in the increasingly lower number of people who even bother to vote.