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> And what's most frustrating is that the people who profited most from these compounds never pay for the damage they cause to generations. It cost exactly $0
by Eumenes 3y ago
> And what's most frustrating is that the people who profited most from these compounds never pay for the damage they cause to generations.
It cost exactly $0 to not drink poison
- dbingham 3y agoThat line is much more a reference to lead in the gasoline, pfas and microplastics in the drinking water. It in fact costs quite a bit of money to avoid these compounds and in many cases the damage was already done before people were aware of the risk. Meanwhile, the investors and executives of the companies that produced these compounds are quite wealthy.
- hinkley 3y agoIt’s a very substantial aspect of “being poor is expensive”. Polluted places, and the sorts of places where pollution tends to collect, are undesirable and thus cheap. The rich historically buy the high land and thus are not affected as directly by flooding, which these days also comes with a dose of pollution. Ironically all of the rich people migrating to waterfront property may be what finally gets us past where we are today with waterway pollution and global warming.
- WalterBright 3y agoThe Soviet Union also poisoned their citizens.
- Avicebron 3y agoSure, and they also suffered pretty hard in the long run ( the soviet union and citizens both)
- gre 3y agoUnless you live in a city with bad water like Flint, MI or any of the other cities where officials have purposefully poisoned the water supply or just never modernized it.
- jakear 3y ago[flagged]
- inetknght 3y agoFluoride in community water sources helps prevent tooth decay. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8971694/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8971694/
- jakear 3y agoAt what cost?
- joneholland 3y agoDon’t spread that conspiracy nonsense. It doesn’t belong here.
- Eumenes 3y agoFluoride is fine for cleaning your teeth, but not ingesting. Thankfully I don't have city water.
- joneholland 3y agoThe amount in water is at a safe dilution and only conspiracy theory fear mongers say otherwise.
- jakear 3y agoWho died and made you the arbiter of Truth? I provided sources, you didn't. Engage in a facts based debate or don't engage at all. Shallow dismissals have no place on HN. (by the actual site guidelines, not my made up declaration)
- Spooky23 3y agoNo. Flint was a specific criminal act.
- rmilejczz 3y agoIt’s cost exactly $0 to not produce poison
- kennywinker 3y agoI think the issue here is you can earn many $$ by selling poison.
- RandomLensman 3y agoQuite the contrary. Keeping foods poison free is quite an effort.
- DoingIsLearning 3y agoThat is the narrowest of all possible views. Good luck using your personal consumer choices to avoid Pesticides in aquifers and breathing Tire dust in the air.
- Eumenes 3y agoIts truly part and parcel of living in an industrialized world.
- lm28469 3y agoIt cost 0 to not be obese It cost 0 to not drink and drive It cost 0 to ... It's not a cost issue, it's a "we're slightly above average IQ monkeys, but we're still fucking monkeys" issue, we're easy to use and abuse, companies know that
- slibhb 3y agoIf we're monkeys then companies are monkeys too and they aren't responsible. You're sneaking free will in the back door. In your view, "victims" don't have free will but big companies do.
- _cenw 3y agoWhat an annoying way to misunderstand a point. And also the entire discipline of marketing.
- abadpoli 3y agoYou can’t just dismiss his point like that. It’s a valid question. If your argument is “people don’t know any better”, then why can’t someone also say “companies (which are just groups of people) also don’t know any better”? You can say “companies should do more research on the consequences of this chemical before releasing it”, and you can also say “people should do more research on this chemical before drinking it”.
- _cenw 3y agoFirst of all, these are not the same thing. Manipulating people and being manipulated aren't mutually exclusive. Second, these people spend their entire life mastering the art of manipulating large populations into consumerism and induced demand. Humans have limited bandwidth, and it wouldn't be most people's specific domain knowledge to spot the mechanisms and the resist them. And, calling back to point one, even if you know the mechanisms of propaganda, you are not immune to propaganda.
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- pvm3 3y agoMicroplastics in all water
- jononomo 3y agopeople didn't know it was poison -- they assumed it must be FDA approved if it is for sale in every supermarket and corner store. Not everyone has a PhD in biochemistry -- some people are just regular folks.
- Eumenes 3y agoThere's alot of crap on grocery store shelves, doesn't mean its healthy. The FDA approves alot of garbage. I don't trust them. You don't need a PhD to not drink soda, even easier to avoid aspartame (its listed on the back of the bottle).
- jononomo 3y agoWhy would anyone know what aspartame is? There are often a dozen chemicals listed on the package -- is someone supposed to know what all of them are? Do you avoid food containing Disodium Inosinate? Why or why not? What about Agar-Agar? What about Calcium Propionate? Cyclamate?
- swayvil 3y agoIf everybody agrees then it's probably wrong. If a well-dressed person states it loudly and confidently over the tv/internet/etc, it's probably a lie.
- barrysteve 3y agoThat's why I wear a Stormtrooper suit with full respirator and bottled water everywhere I go. Hang on, that would be awesome. No survelliance, everyone has identical gear with added features like gait protection and infared protection. iPhones built in, with HUD on facemask interior. Heating/cooling pads in clothing. Ventilation as required, optional battery pack addon. Oh gosh... star wars and space marines aren't meant to be a pratical solution to societal problems....
- bluGill 3y agoNo surveillance and iPhone don't go together