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Oops, please not again…

techdragon 3y ago
Literally my first thought upon reading the headline… “oh not this shit again”…. I mean really I know tensions can simmer for decades but seriously I thought this was one place that after all the breakups and border redefining we had some kind of lasting if somewhat tenuous peace…
- xxs 3y ago
  >one place that after all the breakups and border redefining we had some kind of lasting if somewhat tenuous peace… The Balkans?! Where each country borders its own borders/territories of old. I don't think the conflict would escalate, though.
  - techdragon 3y ago
    I mean yeah, I knew it wasn’t “settled” but it had the feel of the bar/pub fight just after the owner brings out the baseball bat and everyone quickly realised it’s a good idea to stop punching… everyone still has some grudges but they mostly got it out of their system and until someone actively starts some new shit… no one feels particularly compelled to start a fight themselves… its the “grumbling about grievances you don’t quite feel strongly enough to start a fight over” not the “I’ve got a knife on me and I’m trying to stir someone else up to start the fight so no one pins it on me”.
    - xxs 3y ago
      >everyone quickly realised it’s a good idea to stop punching… The Balkans have been boiling for ~1400 years or so (more if you include Macedonia's claim on Alexander the Great's empire). Modern day (19th century) massacres of thousands of people originate on the Balkans, too... no idea how/when it might be over.
  - RetroTechie 3y ago
    More like Europe in general. There is hardly a country in Europe that wasn't in a number of wars and/or its borders redefined several times. Europe's history is full of clashes between & within its states.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Ah young Willie McBride, I can't help wonder why Do those that lie here know why did they die? And did they believe when they answered the cause Did they really believe that this war would end wars? Well the sorrow, the suffering, the glory, the pain The killing and dying, were all done in vain For young Willie McBride, it all happened again And again, and again, and again, and again
  - secfirstmd 3y ago
    Love this Furies song. Great one for singing over a trad session in Dublin
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- johndunne 3y ago
  Blowing up all places of worship is one of the core tenets thats the root of the problem there. How about enabling future generations the space to respect each others principles and not have the 2/3/4 enemies fermenting troubles.
  - demondemidi 3y ago
    Fomenting
    - impish9208 3y ago
      Fermenting troubles does sound better than fomenting them
      - demondemidi 3y ago
        True. I picture shady little microbes with shifty eyes.
  - techdragon 3y ago
    The balkans is one of the places I feel needs to just go for the lots of “city states” with alliances and treaties between them as they individually desire… I genuinely don’t know how they can really draw a map around any relatively “country sized” contiguous area (yes I know some countries are tiny Im suggesting they need a lot of such tiny countries, I’m talking about areas roughly the size of the current countries or a bit smaller or larger) … and hope to use the new borders to somehow settle things… the area is basically fractured like some bad sci-fi or cyberpunk city where there’s an overall “city” but every neighbourhood or two is vastly different… like this Chinatown is the recent immigrants Chinatown, then there’s little Italy, then you’ve got Japantown, oh now it’s the mixed Anglo suburb, oh now it’s the Chinatown for immigrants who’ve been here for over a hundred years and who have a very different culture to the recent immigrants, oh and now it’s little Russia and here’s little Vietnam…. There’s no stitching this together properly without making it worse… let the mess break up into tiny countries with borders they are happy with, kick anyone that wants to control too much surrounding territory (as in they think someone else’s city state shouldn’t exist) square in the head and just protect the lot with either a permanent NATO presence or use it as the excuse to give Frontex the EU’s common border and coast guard a sibling and actually make a damn Army of the European Union, have some fun with the name even, the European Union Defence Forces doesn’t sound too bad in French either, “Forces dē défense de l’Union Européenne” FDUE, EUDF, im just using Google translate so I’m sure some actual French speaking people could probably come up with another clever NATO style name where the acronym is the same in French…

Literally my first thought upon reading the headline… “oh not this shit again”…. I mean really I know tensions can simmer for decades but seriously I thought this was one place that after all the breakups and border redefining we had some kind of lasting if somewhat tenuous peace…

xxs 3y ago
>one place that after all the breakups and border redefining we had some kind of lasting if somewhat tenuous peace… The Balkans?! Where each country borders its own borders/territories of old. I don't think the conflict would escalate, though.
- techdragon 3y ago
  I mean yeah, I knew it wasn’t “settled” but it had the feel of the bar/pub fight just after the owner brings out the baseball bat and everyone quickly realised it’s a good idea to stop punching… everyone still has some grudges but they mostly got it out of their system and until someone actively starts some new shit… no one feels particularly compelled to start a fight themselves… its the “grumbling about grievances you don’t quite feel strongly enough to start a fight over” not the “I’ve got a knife on me and I’m trying to stir someone else up to start the fight so no one pins it on me”.
  - xxs 3y ago
    >everyone quickly realised it’s a good idea to stop punching… The Balkans have been boiling for ~1400 years or so (more if you include Macedonia's claim on Alexander the Great's empire). Modern day (19th century) massacres of thousands of people originate on the Balkans, too... no idea how/when it might be over.
- RetroTechie 3y ago
  More like Europe in general. There is hardly a country in Europe that wasn't in a number of wars and/or its borders redefined several times. Europe's history is full of clashes between & within its states.
willcipriano 3y ago
Ah young Willie McBride, I can't help wonder why Do those that lie here know why did they die? And did they believe when they answered the cause Did they really believe that this war would end wars? Well the sorrow, the suffering, the glory, the pain The killing and dying, were all done in vain For young Willie McBride, it all happened again And again, and again, and again, and again
- secfirstmd 3y ago
  Love this Furies song. Great one for singing over a trad session in Dublin

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johndunne 3y ago
Blowing up all places of worship is one of the core tenets thats the root of the problem there. How about enabling future generations the space to respect each others principles and not have the 2/3/4 enemies fermenting troubles.
- demondemidi 3y ago
  Fomenting
  - impish9208 3y ago
    Fermenting troubles does sound better than fomenting them
    - demondemidi 3y ago
      True. I picture shady little microbes with shifty eyes.
- techdragon 3y ago
  The balkans is one of the places I feel needs to just go for the lots of “city states” with alliances and treaties between them as they individually desire… I genuinely don’t know how they can really draw a map around any relatively “country sized” contiguous area (yes I know some countries are tiny Im suggesting they need a lot of such tiny countries, I’m talking about areas roughly the size of the current countries or a bit smaller or larger) … and hope to use the new borders to somehow settle things… the area is basically fractured like some bad sci-fi or cyberpunk city where there’s an overall “city” but every neighbourhood or two is vastly different… like this Chinatown is the recent immigrants Chinatown, then there’s little Italy, then you’ve got Japantown, oh now it’s the mixed Anglo suburb, oh now it’s the Chinatown for immigrants who’ve been here for over a hundred years and who have a very different culture to the recent immigrants, oh and now it’s little Russia and here’s little Vietnam…. There’s no stitching this together properly without making it worse… let the mess break up into tiny countries with borders they are happy with, kick anyone that wants to control too much surrounding territory (as in they think someone else’s city state shouldn’t exist) square in the head and just protect the lot with either a permanent NATO presence or use it as the excuse to give Frontex the EU’s common border and coast guard a sibling and actually make a damn Army of the European Union, have some fun with the name even, the European Union Defence Forces doesn’t sound too bad in French either, “Forces dē défense de l’Union Européenne” FDUE, EUDF, im just using Google translate so I’m sure some actual French speaking people could probably come up with another clever NATO style name where the acronym is the same in French…