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Writing this article without mentioning AirBnB is quite the exercise in avoiding talking about root causes.

by brohee 3y ago

sylware 3y ago
Did they mention _american_ bedbugs? airbnb being a really good propagation vector as you cannot have the same grade bug fighting than in a classic hotel. Basically, all big international tourist destinations are at "risk" of no severe bug control is done (airbnb...). What are we going to end up with? if hotel syndicates push mandatory severe bug control (aka expensive) in the regulation, that would make 99% of airbnb illegal?
- lll-o-lll 3y ago
  > if hotel syndicates push mandatory severe bug control (aka expensive) in the regulation, that would make 99% of airbnb illegal? We can but dream.
  - criley2 3y ago
    I get where you're coming from, but the idea that we should all rush to giant globo-monopolies to save us from the complexities of small businesses is just wild and disgusting. This is very much the "Microsoft/Apple, save me from Linux" vibe. EDIT since every reply is the same: AirBnb operates 0 rooms. To be so willfully obtuse about AirBnb is wild. Clearly the operators of these rentals are small businesses, the vast majority operating less than 10 properties. They use several major booking platforms for their rooms including AirBnb, Vrbo, TripAdvisor and a dozen other vacation rental platforms. Their rooms are not AirBnb's. Their service is not AirBnb's. I don't even know how to begin to reply to someone who treats AirBnb, a booking platform that operates 0 hotels and 0 rooms, as the same as say a Marriot, who operates 1,423,044 rooms worldwide.
    - jddj 3y ago
      Bit of a facetious take, but I think it has some value: Airbnb isn't a particularly small business, compared to your average hotel.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      Almost all US hotels are owned and operated by smaller companies/families. Hilton/marriott/IHG/hyatt/choice/wyndham/etc sell their brand to franchisees.
    - praptak 3y ago
      But Airbnb is a giant globo-monopoly. So the actual choice isnt between globo-monopolies and small business. It's between monopolies that don't spread bed bugs and one that does.
      - hombre_fatal 3y ago
        Well, hotels spread bed bugs. You're granting the hypothetical world of the upstream commenter where an anti-bed-bug regulation is put in place that's so bent towards hotels that only hotels could survive, but we'd need to see more details on that before we grant it. What would that even look like and would it be worth it beyond the HN knee-jerk of "lol Airbnb bad"?
      - usr1106 3y ago
        And one of these nasty platform economy phenomenons: Take the profit, leave risks and bad labor conditions to others. Whether related to bed bugs or not, those blood suckers don't deserve our sympathy or business.
    - Amezarak 3y ago
      Airbnb has 8.4 billion in revenue and 16 billion in assets. They are not a "small business." Hilton's revenue is 8.7 billion and they have 15 billion in assets. Hilton also doesn't cause rental and home prices to rise. People with enough money to buy homes to rent out as Airbnbs can buy or build small hotels with a little extra effort.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        > People with enough money to buy homes to rent out as Airbnbs can buy or build small hotels with a little extra effort. I don’t see how this can be true. A half decent hotel in even cheaper parts of the US is going to cost $100k per key, and in any popular city, multiples more. Plus, if you want to buy a franchise from Hilton/Marriott/Hyatt, they are going to ask one of the owners to already have another hotel as a credit check. Buying a house or condo, on the other hand, only requires a few hundred thousand, outside of the most expensive areas. And building a hotel is a completely different ballgame than buying an existing property. Cities long ago stopped approving small motels to be built, and clearing the permits/buying the land/getting a construction loan/ensuring your GC does the job on time is a whole lot of risk.
        Amezarak 3y ago
        > Cities long ago stopped approving small motels to be built, I wish they had, but that's not true anywhere I've lived.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        I’m in the US, I have not seen a single new hotel in the last few decades that was not minimum 3 stories and indoor. The numbers do not pencil out for anything less than 60 to 80 rooms, and cities do not want the cheap local motels that end up catering to drug users/prostitutes/etc. A motel 6 would be the lowest quality tier I think.
        Amezarak 3y ago
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  In my experience, there is no way to get rid of bed bugs without using controlled insecticides, and the room has to be left empty for a week or two.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    Heat - you close off the affected area and heat it to a bit over 50C for a few days. The bugs die through desiccation.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  There is no such thing as severe bed bug control. The only way you know if there are bed bugs (unless it is somehow a severe infestation), is if a guest complains about being bit, and then the only thing left to do is call a pest control company and have them do their thing while the room is empty for a couple weeks. 99% of the time, it is only a couple bed bugs, and you are not likely to find them before they bite someone.
- zdragnar 3y ago
  Lol, one hotel near me gave a friend bedbugs, and another have my sister in law scabies. Both hotels were "nice", not the cut-rate budget variety. I would take an Airbnb (with a superhost) over a hotel any day.
eastbound 3y ago
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- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Your colleagues can’t afford AirBnB? Where do you people work anyway?
  - wincy 3y ago
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    - thelastparadise 3y ago
      That's rude. I see no such "dog whistle" in his post and he makes a rather reasonable argument.
      - jddj 3y ago
        It's the left hand part
      - jdiff 3y ago
        That's the point of a dog whistle, to only be heard by some.
      - rat9988 3y ago
        He is very obviously doing it. What kind of "travelers" you think he is talking about.
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        He confirmed it in his follow-up response though: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714981
  - thelastparadise 3y ago
    Hint: the phrase "you people" can be interpreted as hostile/divisive. In case English is not your first language...

Writing this article without mentioning AirBnB is quite the exercise in avoiding talking about root causes.

by brohee 3y ago

Writing this article without mentioning AirBnB is quite the exercise in avoiding talking about root causes.

Did they mention _american_ bedbugs? airbnb being a really good propagation vector as you cannot have the same grade bug fighting than in a classic hotel. Basically, all big international tourist destinations are at "risk" of no severe bug control is done (airbnb...). What are we going to end up with? if hotel syndicates push mandatory severe bug control (aka expensive) in the regulation, that would make 99% of airbnb illegal?

lll-o-lll 3y ago
> if hotel syndicates push mandatory severe bug control (aka expensive) in the regulation, that would make 99% of airbnb illegal? We can but dream.
- criley2 3y ago
  I get where you're coming from, but the idea that we should all rush to giant globo-monopolies to save us from the complexities of small businesses is just wild and disgusting. This is very much the "Microsoft/Apple, save me from Linux" vibe. EDIT since every reply is the same: AirBnb operates 0 rooms. To be so willfully obtuse about AirBnb is wild. Clearly the operators of these rentals are small businesses, the vast majority operating less than 10 properties. They use several major booking platforms for their rooms including AirBnb, Vrbo, TripAdvisor and a dozen other vacation rental platforms. Their rooms are not AirBnb's. Their service is not AirBnb's. I don't even know how to begin to reply to someone who treats AirBnb, a booking platform that operates 0 hotels and 0 rooms, as the same as say a Marriot, who operates 1,423,044 rooms worldwide.
  - jddj 3y ago
    Bit of a facetious take, but I think it has some value: Airbnb isn't a particularly small business, compared to your average hotel.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Almost all US hotels are owned and operated by smaller companies/families. Hilton/marriott/IHG/hyatt/choice/wyndham/etc sell their brand to franchisees.
  - praptak 3y ago
    But Airbnb is a giant globo-monopoly. So the actual choice isnt between globo-monopolies and small business. It's between monopolies that don't spread bed bugs and one that does.
    - hombre_fatal 3y ago
      Well, hotels spread bed bugs. You're granting the hypothetical world of the upstream commenter where an anti-bed-bug regulation is put in place that's so bent towards hotels that only hotels could survive, but we'd need to see more details on that before we grant it. What would that even look like and would it be worth it beyond the HN knee-jerk of "lol Airbnb bad"?
    - usr1106 3y ago
      And one of these nasty platform economy phenomenons: Take the profit, leave risks and bad labor conditions to others. Whether related to bed bugs or not, those blood suckers don't deserve our sympathy or business.
  - Amezarak 3y ago
    Airbnb has 8.4 billion in revenue and 16 billion in assets. They are not a "small business." Hilton's revenue is 8.7 billion and they have 15 billion in assets. Hilton also doesn't cause rental and home prices to rise. People with enough money to buy homes to rent out as Airbnbs can buy or build small hotels with a little extra effort.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      > People with enough money to buy homes to rent out as Airbnbs can buy or build small hotels with a little extra effort. I don’t see how this can be true. A half decent hotel in even cheaper parts of the US is going to cost $100k per key, and in any popular city, multiples more. Plus, if you want to buy a franchise from Hilton/Marriott/Hyatt, they are going to ask one of the owners to already have another hotel as a credit check. Buying a house or condo, on the other hand, only requires a few hundred thousand, outside of the most expensive areas. And building a hotel is a completely different ballgame than buying an existing property. Cities long ago stopped approving small motels to be built, and clearing the permits/buying the land/getting a construction loan/ensuring your GC does the job on time is a whole lot of risk.
      - Amezarak 3y ago
        > Cities long ago stopped approving small motels to be built, I wish they had, but that's not true anywhere I've lived.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        I’m in the US, I have not seen a single new hotel in the last few decades that was not minimum 3 stories and indoor. The numbers do not pencil out for anything less than 60 to 80 rooms, and cities do not want the cheap local motels that end up catering to drug users/prostitutes/etc. A motel 6 would be the lowest quality tier I think.
        Amezarak 3y ago
lotsofpulp 3y ago
In my experience, there is no way to get rid of bed bugs without using controlled insecticides, and the room has to be left empty for a week or two.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Heat - you close off the affected area and heat it to a bit over 50C for a few days. The bugs die through desiccation.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
There is no such thing as severe bed bug control. The only way you know if there are bed bugs (unless it is somehow a severe infestation), is if a guest complains about being bit, and then the only thing left to do is call a pest control company and have them do their thing while the room is empty for a couple weeks. 99% of the time, it is only a couple bed bugs, and you are not likely to find them before they bite someone.
zdragnar 3y ago
Lol, one hotel near me gave a friend bedbugs, and another have my sister in law scabies. Both hotels were "nice", not the cut-rate budget variety. I would take an Airbnb (with a superhost) over a hotel any day.

eastbound 3y ago

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actionfromafar 3y ago
Your colleagues can’t afford AirBnB? Where do you people work anyway?
- wincy 3y ago
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  - thelastparadise 3y ago
    That's rude. I see no such "dog whistle" in his post and he makes a rather reasonable argument.
    - jddj 3y ago
      It's the left hand part
    - jdiff 3y ago
      That's the point of a dog whistle, to only be heard by some.
    - rat9988 3y ago
      He is very obviously doing it. What kind of "travelers" you think he is talking about.
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      He confirmed it in his follow-up response though: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714981
- thelastparadise 3y ago
  Hint: the phrase "you people" can be interpreted as hostile/divisive. In case English is not your first language...