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If the US invaded Mexico, because Mexico would join a hypothetical military "defensive" alliance with Russia, does that put the blame on Russia or on the US? We

by quotz 3y ago

If the US invaded Mexico, because Mexico would join a hypothetical military "defensive" alliance with Russia, does that put the blame on Russia or on the US? We already have the answer to this since something similar happened in the 60s which we call the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US almost invaded Cuba, did a total naval blockade that lasted 2 weeks, until Cuba surrendered and backed out of the alliance with Russia.

astrange 3y ago
That's exactly what I meant about Western "anti-imperialism" actually being pro-Russia. Mostly because it was literally invented by the USSR. Ukraine was explicitly rejected last time they tried to join NATO. Although they will get in now, and so will Finland and Sweden, so it was obviously counterproductive! But Russia doesn't even care about that. They're just ideologically opposed to Ukraine existing and want its industrial resources back. They don't even say it themselves, you just make excuses for them.
- quotz 3y ago
  Ukraine is nowhere near getting in nato
TulliusCicero 3y ago
If the US invades a country for joining the CSTO, that's absolutely on the US. It might be reasonable for the US to be frustrated or disturbed if Mexico joined the CSTO, but being frustrated and disturbed wouldn't justify invading them to replace their government.
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dotnet00 3y ago
That would put the blame on the US because the US would have to have done something to provoke Mexico to want to join such an alliance. As it stands, Mexico doesn't even bother with significant defense spending because they know that the US isn't all that interested in invading and no one else is going to try to invade a country which shares a land border with the US. On the other hand, the various Russian neighbors who have joined or have expressed interest in joining NATO have done the same calculus and determined that Russia is cannot be relied on to not threaten their borders.

by quotz 3y ago

astrange 3y ago

That's exactly what I meant about Western "anti-imperialism" actually being pro-Russia. Mostly because it was literally invented by the USSR. Ukraine was explicitly rejected last time they tried to join NATO. Although they will get in now, and so will Finland and Sweden, so it was obviously counterproductive! But Russia doesn't even care about that. They're just ideologically opposed to Ukraine existing and want its industrial resources back. They don't even say it themselves, you just make excuses for them.

quotz 3y ago
Ukraine is nowhere near getting in nato

TulliusCicero 3y ago

If the US invades a country for joining the CSTO, that's absolutely on the US. It might be reasonable for the US to be frustrated or disturbed if Mexico joined the CSTO, but being frustrated and disturbed wouldn't justify invading them to replace their government.

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dotnet00 3y ago

That would put the blame on the US because the US would have to have done something to provoke Mexico to want to join such an alliance. As it stands, Mexico doesn't even bother with significant defense spending because they know that the US isn't all that interested in invading and no one else is going to try to invade a country which shares a land border with the US. On the other hand, the various Russian neighbors who have joined or have expressed interest in joining NATO have done the same calculus and determined that Russia is cannot be relied on to not threaten their borders.