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https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-increased-risk-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-... > Overal

https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-increased-risk-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023361/e-bike-injuries-... > Overall, the report concludes that the main culprit in all bicycle (regular and electric) injuries was the rider’s own behavior (44 percent) — a steering error, for example — while 32 percent was road conditions. And the majority of these accidents affected only the rider. Two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals last year were cyclists, VeiligheidNL says. The survey was conducted with hospitalized riders between July 2020 and June 2021. Even in countries with top biking infrastructure ebikes are significanly more dangerous. Again - if I suggested I drove my kid to kindergarten on a motorcycle I'd have social services on my door. When I'm exposing them to a similar risk on an ebike that's OK ? Ebikes are not bycicles.

davidw 3y ago
If you think about this for two seconds, it's pretty normal that in the country that has done the most to eliminate cars as a risk to cyclists, cyclists injuries are more their own fault. The stats from the article you cite say that eBikes are 1.6 times more dangerous, whereas road bikes come in at 2.0 and mountain bikes at 3 for mountain bikes. So in the grand scheme of things, that extra speed has a bit of a cost but less than some kinds of completely human-powered bikes, and it's nowhere near the cost the lack of infrastructure in the US that is absolutely lethal. Look at the pedestrian death rates in the US: https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/10/10/exactly-how-far-u-s-street-safety-has-fallen-behind-europe-in-four-bombshell-charts https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/10/10/exactly-how-far-u-s-s... It's kind of difficult to victim blame people just going about their business walking. They're getting killed because of cars and poor infrastructure.

davidw 3y ago

If you think about this for two seconds, it's pretty normal that in the country that has done the most to eliminate cars as a risk to cyclists, cyclists injuries are more their own fault. The stats from the article you cite say that eBikes are 1.6 times more dangerous, whereas road bikes come in at 2.0 and mountain bikes at 3 for mountain bikes. So in the grand scheme of things, that extra speed has a bit of a cost but less than some kinds of completely human-powered bikes, and it's nowhere near the cost the lack of infrastructure in the US that is absolutely lethal. Look at the pedestrian death rates in the US: https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/10/10/exactly-how-far-u-s-street-safety-has-fallen-behind-europe-in-four-bombshell-charts https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/10/10/exactly-how-far-u-s-s... It's kind of difficult to victim blame people just going about their business walking. They're getting killed because of cars and poor infrastructure.