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>How is Obscura’s design different from Tor? >We have immense respect for the Tor project (please donate to the foundation if you can), but its slow speed and

>How is Obscura’s design different from Tor? >We have immense respect for the Tor project (please donate to the foundation if you can), but its slow speed and frequent network-wide DDoS attacks make it infeasible for everyday use. >Obscura has most of the benefits of connecting via Tor but is optimized for everyday use by being much faster and more reliable. Curious about the details on this.

gnfargbl 3y ago
Tor suffered an extended DDoS for a period of almost a year: https://status.torproject.org/issues/2022-06-09-network-ddos/ https://status.torproject.org/issues/2022-06-09-network-ddos... Whilst the DDoS was ongoing, Tor was quite slow.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Who do you think is truly at the top of these efforts? Like, what is the motivation? How is there not more money to be made on a purely quantitative basis from regular clearnet dwellers?
- RockRobotRock 3y ago
  What I meant is, how is Obscura faster and more reliable than Tor?
- CommitSyn 3y ago
  If the Obscura network started getting DDoSed, I'm sure Obscura would also become quite slow. The infosec hobbyist in me believes the many-months-long massive DDoS attack against tor infrastructure was exploiting a vulnerability in tor to perform (timing attacks, or related traffic correlation attacks) against and unmask hidden services or hidden service users, or maybe even exit node users. How realistic is this to someone that understands the tor network more in-depth than I do? Because it's so noisy and expensive, I can't believe they'd keep it up this long if it wasn't extremely effective, whatever the purpose and actor. I'm not sure we would know about the Carnegie Melon research if it weren't for the researchers trying to give a talk about at Black Hat 2014. https://threatpost.com/tor-sniffs-out-attacks-trying-to-deanonymize-hidden-services-users/107514/ https://threatpost.com/tor-sniffs-out-attacks-trying-to-dean... Or 2015 at MIT - https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/de-anonymization-of-tor-hidden-services-with-88-percent-certainty-researchers-say/ https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/de-anonymiza... Or 2019-2021+ - https://nusenu.medium.com/is-kax17-performing-de-anonymization-attacks-against-tor-users-42e566defce8 https://nusenu.medium.com/is-kax17-performing-de-anonymizati... Or 2022 - https://infocondb.org/con/def-con/def-con-30/deanonymization-of-tor-http-hidden-services https://infocondb.org/con/def-con/def-con-30/deanonymization...

gnfargbl 3y ago

Tor suffered an extended DDoS for a period of almost a year: https://status.torproject.org/issues/2022-06-09-network-ddos/ https://status.torproject.org/issues/2022-06-09-network-ddos... Whilst the DDoS was ongoing, Tor was quite slow.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
Who do you think is truly at the top of these efforts? Like, what is the motivation? How is there not more money to be made on a purely quantitative basis from regular clearnet dwellers?
RockRobotRock 3y ago
What I meant is, how is Obscura faster and more reliable than Tor?
CommitSyn 3y ago
If the Obscura network started getting DDoSed, I'm sure Obscura would also become quite slow. The infosec hobbyist in me believes the many-months-long massive DDoS attack against tor infrastructure was exploiting a vulnerability in tor to perform (timing attacks, or related traffic correlation attacks) against and unmask hidden services or hidden service users, or maybe even exit node users. How realistic is this to someone that understands the tor network more in-depth than I do? Because it's so noisy and expensive, I can't believe they'd keep it up this long if it wasn't extremely effective, whatever the purpose and actor. I'm not sure we would know about the Carnegie Melon research if it weren't for the researchers trying to give a talk about at Black Hat 2014. https://threatpost.com/tor-sniffs-out-attacks-trying-to-deanonymize-hidden-services-users/107514/ https://threatpost.com/tor-sniffs-out-attacks-trying-to-dean... Or 2015 at MIT - https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/de-anonymization-of-tor-hidden-services-with-88-percent-certainty-researchers-say/ https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/de-anonymiza... Or 2019-2021+ - https://nusenu.medium.com/is-kax17-performing-de-anonymization-attacks-against-tor-users-42e566defce8 https://nusenu.medium.com/is-kax17-performing-de-anonymizati... Or 2022 - https://infocondb.org/con/def-con/def-con-30/deanonymization-of-tor-http-hidden-services https://infocondb.org/con/def-con/def-con-30/deanonymization...