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This is a power struggle, which I do not believe is really even on purpose by the people involved. We used to have a decentralised Internet with a truly open a
by xorcist 3y ago
This is a power struggle, which I do not believe is really even on purpose by the people involved.
We used to have a decentralised Internet with a truly open and engineering-led garden of interoperable protocols. However during the past decade and a half we've seen a massive change. We find ourselves in a situation where only https matters. It's a catch 22 type of situation, where anything else better be able to tunnel over it, otherwise many users will be left out since it's all that is supported, because it's what others tunnel over.
While this happened, the browser organizations grew politically strong and now controls not only the public key infrastructure that underpins https but also standardization of https itself.
The only exception to this is dns. Together with ip itself it follows the open meritocratic process that gave us decentralised planet wide internetworking. Unfortunately, it is closely tied with the domain name system, which is controlled by a parallel organization which isn't as open and meritocratic.
So basically we have three stakeholders of political value in the Internet ecosystem today. Us proponents of open and permissionless internetworks closely align with one, one is a gray area, and one is a conglomerate of private companies.
It is really healthy for the Internet if Mozilla, Microsoft and Cloudflare took control over dns resolving on a wide scale? Even apart from the obvious privacy issues?
They may mean well, but it logically follows that when dns is centralized among a few actors, they also will have an unproportionally large say in the evolution of the system. They could even tack on some extra top domains or other extensions that they could resolve. All in good faith of course. But that would, in time, bring over any remaining users of the old decentralized system.
It's not as if similar things hasn't happened before, in other contexts. So, yes, I will be one of the holdouts and keep resolving my own dns queries. It's not harder than "apt-get install unbound". It's the way the distributed domain name database was designed to work, and for good reason.
- josephcsible 3y agoDoH doesn't make the Internet any more centralized. Just as with insecure DNS servers, anyone can run DoH servers too, and there are a lot of public ones: https://github.com/curl/curl/wiki/DNS-over-HTTPS#publicly-available-servers https://github.com/curl/curl/wiki/DNS-over-HTTPS#publicly-av...
- xorcist 3y agoWhile it is indeed true that the design is such that there will always be fewer dns servers with the https based protocol, which also is a type of centralization, the point of the above perhaps too long comment is to highlight much more important issues.
- kreetx 3y agoRight, so barely technologically DoH is better than DNS as it's encrypted? Since anyone can run a DoH server as well, how is that "politically" worse than DNS? EDIT: Right, so I think I figured it otu: the issue is with locked DoH DNS servers where one can't MITM them anymore due to encryption and not being able to fake the server certificates.