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"Even when you're home, you're still at the mercy of your ISP." No, I'm not. If you think I am, then you don't understand networking. "What does preventing use

"Even when you're home, you're still at the mercy of your ISP." No, I'm not. If you think I am, then you don't understand networking. "What does preventing use of Edge have to do with DoH?" If you can't have basic control of programs on your own computer, tell me how you're going to control programs' use of DoH. "You've yet to convincingly point out a single bad thing that actually comes from DoH." I've named many: we lose the ability to block ads, adware, Trojan CaC, spyware, et cetera. We lose the privacy of our own DNS lookups. Your suggestion seems disingenuous. "You can't make public Wi-Fi or your ISP's network better no matter how knowledgeable you are." No - YOU can't or don't want to, because you don't understand networking. People who want to can, though, and this is what I'd encourage, instead of enshittifying the Internet by believing companies like Cloudflare when they tell us our ISPs suck and we should just trust them instead.

josephcsible 3y ago
> "Even when you're home, you're still at the mercy of your ISP." No, I'm not. If you think I am, then you don't understand networking. If your ISP dropped all packets on port 53 that contained a response for example.com, how would you circumvent that and learn its IP otherwise? > "What does preventing use of Edge have to do with DoH?" If you can't have basic control of programs on your own computer, tell me how you're going to control programs' use of DoH. Name a single program (other than unambiguous malware that nobody would ever be okay with being installed at all) that always uses DoH regardless of any configuration by a local administrator. > "You've yet to convincingly point out a single bad thing that actually comes from DoH." I've named many: we lose the ability to block ads, adware, Trojan CaC, spyware, et cetera. We lose the privacy of our own DNS lookups. Your suggestion seems disingenuous. There are DoH resolvers that do ad and malware blocking. Moving DNS from cleartext to an encrypted protocol is certainly not losing privacy. > "You can't make public Wi-Fi or your ISP's network better no matter how knowledgeable you are." No - YOU can't or don't want to, because you don't understand networking. People who want to can, though, and this is what I'd encourage, instead of enshittifying the Internet by believing companies like Cloudflare when they tell us our ISPs suck and we should just trust them instead. How are you proposing that people make other people's networks better? And are you saying that Americans' ISPs don't suck?
- johnklos 3y ago
  You answer questions by answering what you feel like and diverting, not by addressing what's relevant to the discussion. I'm not going to answer things in good faith when you're just playing dumb. I'm fairly certain you're trolling. Do you do this with friends and family, too? Just so you know, people aren't agreeing with you just because they decide to stop engaging with you. I like the fact that your attempts to derail are all here, plain as day, for anyone to see, because people knowing that DoH is a big scam to grab private data about them is important.

josephcsible 3y ago

> "Even when you're home, you're still at the mercy of your ISP." No, I'm not. If you think I am, then you don't understand networking. If your ISP dropped all packets on port 53 that contained a response for example.com, how would you circumvent that and learn its IP otherwise? > "What does preventing use of Edge have to do with DoH?" If you can't have basic control of programs on your own computer, tell me how you're going to control programs' use of DoH. Name a single program (other than unambiguous malware that nobody would ever be okay with being installed at all) that always uses DoH regardless of any configuration by a local administrator. > "You've yet to convincingly point out a single bad thing that actually comes from DoH." I've named many: we lose the ability to block ads, adware, Trojan CaC, spyware, et cetera. We lose the privacy of our own DNS lookups. Your suggestion seems disingenuous. There are DoH resolvers that do ad and malware blocking. Moving DNS from cleartext to an encrypted protocol is certainly not losing privacy. > "You can't make public Wi-Fi or your ISP's network better no matter how knowledgeable you are." No - YOU can't or don't want to, because you don't understand networking. People who want to can, though, and this is what I'd encourage, instead of enshittifying the Internet by believing companies like Cloudflare when they tell us our ISPs suck and we should just trust them instead. How are you proposing that people make other people's networks better? And are you saying that Americans' ISPs don't suck?

johnklos 3y ago
You answer questions by answering what you feel like and diverting, not by addressing what's relevant to the discussion. I'm not going to answer things in good faith when you're just playing dumb. I'm fairly certain you're trolling. Do you do this with friends and family, too? Just so you know, people aren't agreeing with you just because they decide to stop engaging with you. I like the fact that your attempts to derail are all here, plain as day, for anyone to see, because people knowing that DoH is a big scam to grab private data about them is important.