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I can't tell if you're a troll or if you're really just not understanding things. My network is not my ISP's network. My ISP can't censor me. I advocate for pe

I can't tell if you're a troll or if you're really just not understanding things. My network is not my ISP's network. My ISP can't censor me. I advocate for people to have control over their own networks and to take control from their ISPs. I'm not sure why you want to conflate my network with what my ISP provides, but anyone thinking that clearly doesn't understand how things work (or is just trying to be a troll). Likewise, "all legitimate" programs will allow DoH configuration? Really? Have you TRIED to do simple, common sense things in Windows like use another browser? Obviously this suggestion is ridiculous. Please tell me how traffic would pass through my network that isn't from or to one of my machines. Guests? That's a bullshit reason to suggest I shouldn't have control over my network. "You're always sending your DNS requests to some third parties." No, I'm not. I run my own DNSSEC recursive resolvers. At this point, I have to believe you're a troll. "consider that someone complaining "they took away my freedom to own slaves"" is also trolling. If you think packets and programs are equivalent to humans, you're... broken. But at this point I really have to wonder what you expect to get out of trolling. You're just making yourself look dumb at this point.

josephcsible 3y ago
> My network is not my ISP's network. Right, but traffic from your computers passes through both. > My ISP can't censor me. Either you and your ISP can both do network-level censorship, or neither can. > I'm not sure why you want to conflate my network with what my ISP provides, but anyone thinking that clearly doesn't understand how things work (or is just trying to be a troll). Because your endpoints' traffic goes through both, and they both have the same ability to censor. > Likewise, "all legitimate" programs will allow DoH configuration? Really? Have you TRIED to do simple, common sense things in Windows like use another browser? Obviously this suggestion is ridiculous. Again, what does being able to change the default browser on Windows have to do with whether you can configure DoH? > Please tell me how traffic would pass through my network that isn't from or to one of my machines. Guests? That's a bullshit reason to suggest I shouldn't have control over my network. Guest computers on your network are in the exact same position as your router on your ISP's network. > "You're always sending your DNS requests to some third parties." No, I'm not. I run my own DNSSEC recursive resolvers. Even if you don't count the servers your recursive resolver talks to as third parties, your ISP can still see all of your recursive resolver's traffic, and just drop the responses for domains it doesn't want you visiting, even with DNSSEC. > "consider that someone complaining "they took away my freedom to own slaves"" is also trolling. If you think packets and programs are equivalent to humans, you're... broken. I don't think they're equivalent at all. My point was just that just because you can't do a certain thing anymore doesn't necessarily mean freedom has been lost.

josephcsible 3y ago

> My network is not my ISP's network. Right, but traffic from your computers passes through both. > My ISP can't censor me. Either you and your ISP can both do network-level censorship, or neither can. > I'm not sure why you want to conflate my network with what my ISP provides, but anyone thinking that clearly doesn't understand how things work (or is just trying to be a troll). Because your endpoints' traffic goes through both, and they both have the same ability to censor. > Likewise, "all legitimate" programs will allow DoH configuration? Really? Have you TRIED to do simple, common sense things in Windows like use another browser? Obviously this suggestion is ridiculous. Again, what does being able to change the default browser on Windows have to do with whether you can configure DoH? > Please tell me how traffic would pass through my network that isn't from or to one of my machines. Guests? That's a bullshit reason to suggest I shouldn't have control over my network. Guest computers on your network are in the exact same position as your router on your ISP's network. > "You're always sending your DNS requests to some third parties." No, I'm not. I run my own DNSSEC recursive resolvers. Even if you don't count the servers your recursive resolver talks to as third parties, your ISP can still see all of your recursive resolver's traffic, and just drop the responses for domains it doesn't want you visiting, even with DNSSEC. > "consider that someone complaining "they took away my freedom to own slaves"" is also trolling. If you think packets and programs are equivalent to humans, you're... broken. I don't think they're equivalent at all. My point was just that just because you can't do a certain thing anymore doesn't necessarily mean freedom has been lost.