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Torn is right. Mauna Kea is sacred to the world’s scientists too - it’s a perfect observing site; a spectacular volcano; a unique glacial environment; an isola

Torn is right. Mauna Kea is sacred to the world’s scientists too - it’s a perfect observing site; a spectacular volcano; a unique glacial environment; an isolated habitat for plant and animal life; it feels like there ought to be some way to share the gift of this improbable piece of land with the world. But yes, the way things have been done in the past affect the relationships we can have now.

mulmen 3y ago
> Mauna Kea is sacred to the world’s scientists too This is ugly phrasing given the history. I don’t think scientists use words like “sacred” to describe objective qualities. Its a false equivalence that undermines the real cultural damage.
- pseg134 3y ago
  I think it’s about time for the Hawaiians to join the melting pot. We can tell them god isn’t real and then it won’t be sacred.
  - defrost 3y ago
    They're not monotheist - one god down is hardly enough. the mountain is the dwelling place of the goddess Poli'ahu, it is associated with the Hawaiian deities Lilinoe and Waiau, and the summit is considered the realm of the gods. https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2020/03/06/maunakea-the-fight-to-protect-sacred-land/ https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2020/03/06/maunakea-the-fi...
  - mulmen 3y ago
    Is this supposed to be a joke? If so it’s not a very good one. How much do you know about Hawaiian beliefs? You seem to assume Hawaiian culture is based on a monotheistic religion but that’s not the only option and certainly not required for a site to be considered culturally sacred.
- jabits 3y ago
  Not at all. Pursuit of knowledge is sacred with many cultures. “Native Hawaiians” make up about 10% of the population, many of which of which support these kind of projects. They want their kids to live in a world that values knowledge like anyone else. There is always a vocal group that does not want change. And unlike like devastating resource destruction projects like mining, these facilities can be removed, just like the wind turbines so many complain about. Hawaii needs all the non-tourist projects we can get.

mulmen 3y ago

> Mauna Kea is sacred to the world’s scientists too This is ugly phrasing given the history. I don’t think scientists use words like “sacred” to describe objective qualities. Its a false equivalence that undermines the real cultural damage.

pseg134 3y ago
I think it’s about time for the Hawaiians to join the melting pot. We can tell them god isn’t real and then it won’t be sacred.
- defrost 3y ago
  They're not monotheist - one god down is hardly enough. the mountain is the dwelling place of the goddess Poli'ahu, it is associated with the Hawaiian deities Lilinoe and Waiau, and the summit is considered the realm of the gods. https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2020/03/06/maunakea-the-fight-to-protect-sacred-land/ https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2020/03/06/maunakea-the-fi...
- mulmen 3y ago
  Is this supposed to be a joke? If so it’s not a very good one. How much do you know about Hawaiian beliefs? You seem to assume Hawaiian culture is based on a monotheistic religion but that’s not the only option and certainly not required for a site to be considered culturally sacred.
jabits 3y ago
Not at all. Pursuit of knowledge is sacred with many cultures. “Native Hawaiians” make up about 10% of the population, many of which of which support these kind of projects. They want their kids to live in a world that values knowledge like anyone else. There is always a vocal group that does not want change. And unlike like devastating resource destruction projects like mining, these facilities can be removed, just like the wind turbines so many complain about. Hawaii needs all the non-tourist projects we can get.