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> Gold you can't travel with (weight and loss due to theft and also probably actually illegal) Which country? Last week I travelled on planes in USA and may ha

> Gold you can't travel with (weight and loss due to theft and also probably actually illegal) Which country? Last week I travelled on planes in USA and may have carried 35 pounds of silver coin, about a pound of gold coin, and >$10k cash. No problems other than being careful putting bag in overhead bin. Travelling in/out of countries like Turkey with metal in carry-on has always been easy. One time the screener was curious and wanted to see some coin, but no problem. Diversified bearer instruments are a prudent way to proceed into the coming government chaos in next ten years. > Well you can sell the stock and convert it into dollars How well did that work the entire week after 9/11?

ericmay 3y ago
Yea I read the Sovereign Citizen too
dredmorbius 3y ago
There are numerous countries with controls over money entering or, more often, leaving the territory. This can apply to cash, gold, or other valuables. The issue generally falls under the general realm of customs regulations though also capital controls. Domestic travel generally as fewer, and often (but not always) no limits. Risks of seizure, forfeiture, and outright theft should also be considered. It's generally recommended to not check valuables. Shipping valuables as insured cargo is another option.
- landemva 3y ago
  > Risks of seizure That happens with account balances in USA. Try to fight an account seizure after the fact in courts in USA, and be prepared to lose. Tangible items including metal are diversification, and bitcoin and ethereum are incredible across borders.
  - addicted 3y ago
    Currency is currency. Assets are assets. Claiming that an asset is better than a currency because it’s better at what assets are supposed to do and currencies are explicitly not supposed to do is strange to say the least.
    - dredmorbius 3y ago
      Whilst true, there are distinct classes and types of assets, with differing characteristics. Currency is exceptionally liquid (interchangeable) and nearly-universally accepted within a particular region. Stocks, bonds, and other financialised instruments tend to be better inflation hedges, as currency will, does, and should inflate and deflate to meet actual transaction needs, and to dilute excessively burdensome debts. Real estate is exceptionally durable, tends to hold value well (excepting speculative bubbles), and serves excellently as collateral for debt. Other long-term tangible property (e.g., industrial plant and equipment) can play a similar role. Commodities tend to be intermediate between cash and other forms of financialised instruments, generally having inherent liquidity (that is, the commodity can be sold for use-value), as well as its investment role. Collectables ranging from fine arts to wines to luxury automobiles tend to have hold value well (again, modulo speculative bubbles), and are both more readily stored and transported than real estate. Cryptocurrencies tend to most strongly resemble the latter, in both their intrinsic durability (which is NOT the same as price stability), and their portability, which is to say that they serve as a highly effective way of moving financial wealth between jurisdictions, often without any external visibility, though of course blockchain transactions, like diamonds, are forever.

ericmay 3y ago

Yea I read the Sovereign Citizen too

dredmorbius 3y ago

There are numerous countries with controls over money entering or, more often, leaving the territory. This can apply to cash, gold, or other valuables. The issue generally falls under the general realm of customs regulations though also capital controls. Domestic travel generally as fewer, and often (but not always) no limits. Risks of seizure, forfeiture, and outright theft should also be considered. It's generally recommended to not check valuables. Shipping valuables as insured cargo is another option.

landemva 3y ago
> Risks of seizure That happens with account balances in USA. Try to fight an account seizure after the fact in courts in USA, and be prepared to lose. Tangible items including metal are diversification, and bitcoin and ethereum are incredible across borders.
- addicted 3y ago
  Currency is currency. Assets are assets. Claiming that an asset is better than a currency because it’s better at what assets are supposed to do and currencies are explicitly not supposed to do is strange to say the least.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    Whilst true, there are distinct classes and types of assets, with differing characteristics. Currency is exceptionally liquid (interchangeable) and nearly-universally accepted within a particular region. Stocks, bonds, and other financialised instruments tend to be better inflation hedges, as currency will, does, and should inflate and deflate to meet actual transaction needs, and to dilute excessively burdensome debts. Real estate is exceptionally durable, tends to hold value well (excepting speculative bubbles), and serves excellently as collateral for debt. Other long-term tangible property (e.g., industrial plant and equipment) can play a similar role. Commodities tend to be intermediate between cash and other forms of financialised instruments, generally having inherent liquidity (that is, the commodity can be sold for use-value), as well as its investment role. Collectables ranging from fine arts to wines to luxury automobiles tend to have hold value well (again, modulo speculative bubbles), and are both more readily stored and transported than real estate. Cryptocurrencies tend to most strongly resemble the latter, in both their intrinsic durability (which is NOT the same as price stability), and their portability, which is to say that they serve as a highly effective way of moving financial wealth between jurisdictions, often without any external visibility, though of course blockchain transactions, like diamonds, are forever.