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I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick

I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick for hundreds if not thousands of years like Typhoid Mary. Quarantining healthy young people who are not at risk in response to a pandemic has never been done before.

jrajav 3y ago
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- localplume 3y ago
  because lockdowns destroyed a lot of political goodwill and have ruined a generation of children? climate change is overblown and we wont see any actual major effects for another century. climate change believers really are just an apocalyptic cult at this point. it defies reality there are many other, actual issues that should be addressed. housing shortages, mass illegal immigration, inflation, geriatric politicians, corruption, education, environmental protection from chemicals and other toxins, deforestation, pollution in general etc etc climate change isn't even close to whats important. but because it has had no actual effects, and the real effects are a century away, its easy for people to posture without committing to an actual solution. there are other issues that should be addressed that people are forgetting about. its a joke
- claytongulick 3y ago
  > overly cautious and compassionate public health measures You forgot unconstitutional and ineffective. > in an easily recoverable way You think reversing inflation, massive debt and a historic housing price bubble is easy? > decades-long rabid and unchecked industrialization that is irreparably destroying major parts of the planet for every generation to follow, ever You mean the thing that has improved the lives of every human to the best level it's ever been in history? That outside of mathematical models has had very little actual measurable detrimental effect (assuming you're talking about global warming). I suppose you'll be volunteering to give up your car, house, dishwasher, laundry machines and all the other amazing things that make life vastly better and more hygienic for billions of people.
rmah 3y ago
Um, mass quarantines of healthy people is not unprecedented. It was, in fact quite common through history when outbreaks seemed to be getting out of control. First they'd quarantine families. Then neighborhoods. Then entire cities. In fact, during the pre-industrial times, entire cities would be quarantined and sometimes, if anyone tried to escape, they would be executed. While a reasonable arguments can be made about whether the various flavors of Covid quarantines were necessary or effective, to say they are unprecedented is simply wrong.
- junofan 3y ago
  Quarantine means 40 days. We had kids out of classrooms for 2+ years.
pyuser583 3y ago
Young people are two years behind because schools were unnecessarily closed. That should be a lawsuit right there.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  This does not square with my experience. I have school-age children (currently 5th and 7th grade) and they are not behind. The year everyone came back to on-premise school was rough, certainly, but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine. There's a huge amount of repetition in primary and secondary school curriculum anyway.
  - ImJamal 3y ago
    >but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine There are millions of non-normal kids.
Krssst 3y ago
They would lose because the response was appropriate with the given information at the time. (and the lower risk we enjoy today is thanks to vaccination and natutal immunity of the survivors).
- gwervc 3y ago
  It totally wasn't, and countries that had less heavy-handed responses such as Japan and most African countries didn't have a significantly worse outcome than the one that took dictatorship-like measures. On the other hand the negative effects of those policies are very strong, and for some ery visible. For instance France's debt skyrocketed from 100% to about 120% of GDP in a single year. Then there is impact on mental health, education, lowered public trust in the institutions etc. It's an absolute disaster with nothing to show for it.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
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  - catgirlinspace 3y ago
    From my understanding, Japan didn’t have as big of a response because it’s already normal in their culture to wear a mask when sick.
    - Krssst 3y ago
      And African countries may have a younger less overweight population along with a climate that requires less gathering inside.
fawnj 3y ago
In Spain we were forced to stay at home and the order was later ruled unconstitutional and absolutely nothing happened.

jrajav 3y ago

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localplume 3y ago
because lockdowns destroyed a lot of political goodwill and have ruined a generation of children? climate change is overblown and we wont see any actual major effects for another century. climate change believers really are just an apocalyptic cult at this point. it defies reality there are many other, actual issues that should be addressed. housing shortages, mass illegal immigration, inflation, geriatric politicians, corruption, education, environmental protection from chemicals and other toxins, deforestation, pollution in general etc etc climate change isn't even close to whats important. but because it has had no actual effects, and the real effects are a century away, its easy for people to posture without committing to an actual solution. there are other issues that should be addressed that people are forgetting about. its a joke
claytongulick 3y ago
> overly cautious and compassionate public health measures You forgot unconstitutional and ineffective. > in an easily recoverable way You think reversing inflation, massive debt and a historic housing price bubble is easy? > decades-long rabid and unchecked industrialization that is irreparably destroying major parts of the planet for every generation to follow, ever You mean the thing that has improved the lives of every human to the best level it's ever been in history? That outside of mathematical models has had very little actual measurable detrimental effect (assuming you're talking about global warming). I suppose you'll be volunteering to give up your car, house, dishwasher, laundry machines and all the other amazing things that make life vastly better and more hygienic for billions of people.

rmah 3y ago

Um, mass quarantines of healthy people is not unprecedented. It was, in fact quite common through history when outbreaks seemed to be getting out of control. First they'd quarantine families. Then neighborhoods. Then entire cities. In fact, during the pre-industrial times, entire cities would be quarantined and sometimes, if anyone tried to escape, they would be executed. While a reasonable arguments can be made about whether the various flavors of Covid quarantines were necessary or effective, to say they are unprecedented is simply wrong.

junofan 3y ago
Quarantine means 40 days. We had kids out of classrooms for 2+ years.

pyuser583 3y ago

Young people are two years behind because schools were unnecessarily closed. That should be a lawsuit right there.

rootusrootus 3y ago
This does not square with my experience. I have school-age children (currently 5th and 7th grade) and they are not behind. The year everyone came back to on-premise school was rough, certainly, but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine. There's a huge amount of repetition in primary and secondary school curriculum anyway.
- ImJamal 3y ago
  >but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine There are millions of non-normal kids.

Krssst 3y ago

They would lose because the response was appropriate with the given information at the time. (and the lower risk we enjoy today is thanks to vaccination and natutal immunity of the survivors).

gwervc 3y ago
It totally wasn't, and countries that had less heavy-handed responses such as Japan and most African countries didn't have a significantly worse outcome than the one that took dictatorship-like measures. On the other hand the negative effects of those policies are very strong, and for some ery visible. For instance France's debt skyrocketed from 100% to about 120% of GDP in a single year. Then there is impact on mental health, education, lowered public trust in the institutions etc. It's an absolute disaster with nothing to show for it.
- ethanbond 3y ago
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- catgirlinspace 3y ago
  From my understanding, Japan didn’t have as big of a response because it’s already normal in their culture to wear a mask when sick.
  - Krssst 3y ago
    And African countries may have a younger less overweight population along with a climate that requires less gathering inside.

fawnj 3y ago

In Spain we were forced to stay at home and the order was later ruled unconstitutional and absolutely nothing happened.