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> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster

by AnonHP 3y ago

> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster on paper, and the photos have gone from really good to better, but it's a really incremental product these days These kind of comments seem to be low effort because they don't really show an insight into what has changed. Of course, if you compare an iPhone from one year to the previous year, it may seem minor. But claiming confidently that not much has changed in six years is hyperbole. The improvements in camera, screen brightness, colors and many others strongly disagree with such claims. > A used iPhone 13 Pro Max in great condition is about $450 these days where I a.m. Of course, this could be a great alternative to buying a new phone since it's only two generations behind and is also a Pro model. It will do well for some more years (software wise) and probably need a battery replacement around that same time (depending on how it's been used till now).

pmarreck 3y ago
> The improvements in camera, screen brightness, colors and many others strongly disagree with such claims. I've owned an X, a 12, a 13 (after the 12 got water damage), and have ordered the 15 (but not received it yet). With the caveat of not having used the 14 or 15 (but just looking at the specs on paper), I would have to agree with the comment you're responding to that all the changes since the X have essentially been incremental. Not only that, completely and consistently annoying UI bugs such as the one where you accidentally tap a notification when you intended to tap a UI element at the top of the screen (which I blogged about way back when: https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5 https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5) have not been fixed despite the fact that my solution (adding a small input "debounce" or timeout whenever the UI changes, where inputs are ignored) would likely solve this problem. (This problem has likely annoyed YOU, even if you haven't heard about it until now! More generally, it's also a problem with websites that let you accidentally click or fat-finger on elements while they're still re-rendering and shuffling around, which my post also includes.) Of course, that's a software problem... The hardware is largely exactly the same. There's still no way to TouchID through the screen (like Android has had for years... I absolutely cannot stand FaceID and just use an alphanumeric code to unlock with a long unlock time now), there's still no models with a foldable screen (again, like Android has had for years), and we are only JUST getting USB-C (whoop de frickin' doo... again, not an Android fan but Android has had this for years too) and ONLY (more or less) because the EU twisted Apple's arm. (Aside: I still can't directly edit the custom spelling dictionary iOS maintains internally. Mine has a ton of garbage in it, but is just useful enough that I don't want to wipe it completely, which is the only option.) And now with iPhones dominating the teen market with like an 88% marketshare (which is a fairly good indicator that Apple will be completely entrenched for years from now), they just don't have any incentive to take innovation risks anymore.
- trogdor 3y ago
  Why can you not stand Face ID? I love it. For me, it works pretty much 100% of the time, including situations where Touch ID would be inconvenient, like when my phone or hands are wet. (I go kayaking almost every day.)
  - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
    I'm not OP, but I seem to naturally hold my iPhone closer to my face than the distance at which FaceID works. Either that, or the system just doesn't like my face. FaceID works so poorly that I actually disabled it for unlocking my phone. At least when I use a passcode, I can set a grace period of one hour before the passcode is required again. If you turn on FaceID, it's always required as soon as you lock your phone. I have an iPhone 13 Mini fwiw.
  - c-hendricks 3y ago
    Brushing my teeth? Can't unlock my phone. Fresh out of the shower? Can't unlock my phone. Phone too close? Can't unlock my phone. Want to quickly unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk? Can't, gotta lift it, point it towards my face, then lay it back where it was. I dunno, I have a bit of relief when I can just unlock my iPad with my finger.
    - reddit_clone 3y ago
      When I am wearing a mask (for health reasons) it won't unlock. I too miss the finger print unlocking.
      - hanche 3y ago
        But fingerprint unlocking didn’t work with wet fingers, like outside on a rainy day. I find that face unlocking fails less often than fingerprint unlocking ever did. (Though outside on a sunny day can be challenging.)
        jinushaun 3y ago
rootusrootus 3y ago
> A used iPhone 13 Pro Max in great condition is about $450 these days where I a.m. That's a pretty good deal. I got $580 from Apple for my 13PM trade-in.
solardev 3y ago
Usb-C is pretty big
- davidf18 3y ago
  In large part because with the iPhone Pro (Max) you can run 10 Gps data rates with the proper USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4 cable. I have the 15 Pro Max. I yearly upgrade because the modems and RF electronics are substantial annual upgrades. I live in NYC with skyscrapers, subways, underground parking garages, cell tower congestion during certain parts of the day. Also, I attend busy conferences, drive on highways, and take trains. In each of these cases one can encounter weak signals. The X70 Qualcomm modem and RF electronics are a substantial upgrade over the iPhone 14 Pro Max. The iPhone 15 Pro (Max) does better in weak signal conditions than the new 2023 Samsung s23. "The iPhone 15 Pro Max also performed better in low-signal regions, measuring speeds of 21Mbps down and 14Mbps up compared with the S23 Ultra's 17Mbps down and 9.3Mbps up in the same spot." "The phone did well when tested at the Wi-Fi network's edge, where it peaked at 8.1Mbps down against the S23's 6.35Mbps." https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-iphone-15-pro-max https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-iphone-15-pro-max

by AnonHP 3y ago

pmarreck 3y ago

> The improvements in camera, screen brightness, colors and many others strongly disagree with such claims. I've owned an X, a 12, a 13 (after the 12 got water damage), and have ordered the 15 (but not received it yet). With the caveat of not having used the 14 or 15 (but just looking at the specs on paper), I would have to agree with the comment you're responding to that all the changes since the X have essentially been incremental. Not only that, completely and consistently annoying UI bugs such as the one where you accidentally tap a notification when you intended to tap a UI element at the top of the screen (which I blogged about way back when: https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5 https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5) have not been fixed despite the fact that my solution (adding a small input "debounce" or timeout whenever the UI changes, where inputs are ignored) would likely solve this problem. (This problem has likely annoyed YOU, even if you haven't heard about it until now! More generally, it's also a problem with websites that let you accidentally click or fat-finger on elements while they're still re-rendering and shuffling around, which my post also includes.) Of course, that's a software problem... The hardware is largely exactly the same. There's still no way to TouchID through the screen (like Android has had for years... I absolutely cannot stand FaceID and just use an alphanumeric code to unlock with a long unlock time now), there's still no models with a foldable screen (again, like Android has had for years), and we are only JUST getting USB-C (whoop de frickin' doo... again, not an Android fan but Android has had this for years too) and ONLY (more or less) because the EU twisted Apple's arm. (Aside: I still can't directly edit the custom spelling dictionary iOS maintains internally. Mine has a ton of garbage in it, but is just useful enough that I don't want to wipe it completely, which is the only option.) And now with iPhones dominating the teen market with like an 88% marketshare (which is a fairly good indicator that Apple will be completely entrenched for years from now), they just don't have any incentive to take innovation risks anymore.

trogdor 3y ago
Why can you not stand Face ID? I love it. For me, it works pretty much 100% of the time, including situations where Touch ID would be inconvenient, like when my phone or hands are wet. (I go kayaking almost every day.)
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  I'm not OP, but I seem to naturally hold my iPhone closer to my face than the distance at which FaceID works. Either that, or the system just doesn't like my face. FaceID works so poorly that I actually disabled it for unlocking my phone. At least when I use a passcode, I can set a grace period of one hour before the passcode is required again. If you turn on FaceID, it's always required as soon as you lock your phone. I have an iPhone 13 Mini fwiw.
- c-hendricks 3y ago
  Brushing my teeth? Can't unlock my phone. Fresh out of the shower? Can't unlock my phone. Phone too close? Can't unlock my phone. Want to quickly unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk? Can't, gotta lift it, point it towards my face, then lay it back where it was. I dunno, I have a bit of relief when I can just unlock my iPad with my finger.
  - reddit_clone 3y ago
    When I am wearing a mask (for health reasons) it won't unlock. I too miss the finger print unlocking.
    - hanche 3y ago
      But fingerprint unlocking didn’t work with wet fingers, like outside on a rainy day. I find that face unlocking fails less often than fingerprint unlocking ever did. (Though outside on a sunny day can be challenging.)
      - jinushaun 3y ago

rootusrootus 3y ago

> A used iPhone 13 Pro Max in great condition is about $450 these days where I a.m. That's a pretty good deal. I got $580 from Apple for my 13PM trade-in.

solardev 3y ago

Usb-C is pretty big

davidf18 3y ago
In large part because with the iPhone Pro (Max) you can run 10 Gps data rates with the proper USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4 cable. I have the 15 Pro Max. I yearly upgrade because the modems and RF electronics are substantial annual upgrades. I live in NYC with skyscrapers, subways, underground parking garages, cell tower congestion during certain parts of the day. Also, I attend busy conferences, drive on highways, and take trains. In each of these cases one can encounter weak signals. The X70 Qualcomm modem and RF electronics are a substantial upgrade over the iPhone 14 Pro Max. The iPhone 15 Pro (Max) does better in weak signal conditions than the new 2023 Samsung s23. "The iPhone 15 Pro Max also performed better in low-signal regions, measuring speeds of 21Mbps down and 14Mbps up compared with the S23 Ultra's 17Mbps down and 9.3Mbps up in the same spot." "The phone did well when tested at the Wi-Fi network's edge, where it peaked at 8.1Mbps down against the S23's 6.35Mbps." https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-iphone-15-pro-max https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-iphone-15-pro-max