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What’s the annoying issue? Seems more like a weird usage model.

crtasm 3y ago
"In Safari, closing the last non-pinned tab using cmd-w should go to the start page. Currently, it closes the browser." - title of reddit thread linked below.
- mercutio2 3y ago
  “Should” is doing a lot of work in this sentence. It very much should not do this, if it’s following normal AppKit conventions. Might be a nice optional feature request…
  - sitzkrieg 3y ago
    where is pinned vs normal tab treatment for closing in appkit conventions?
    - c-hendricks 3y ago
      This seems pedantic. Pinned Tabs can be considered like an entry in your bookmark bar. Yes, they're in a different place, but they're a button in the UI, in all windows of the browser, that takes the user to a URL. What's going on here is the user is closing the last tab in their window and expecting it to stay open.
      - sitzkrieg 3y ago
        so to put it more simply, a pinned tab behaves like a button so it doesnt count as open tab? apologies if it sounded like loaded question , genuinely trying to understand the way it is supposed to worki
        c-hendricks 3y ago
        Pretty much! IMO Safari is the only browser that gets Pinned Tabs right. In Safari, when you pin a tab, it's available in all your browser windows, and cannot be closed (if you do close it, it comes right back). To remove them, you have to manually unpin the tab. There's also only ever one "instance" of the tab taking up resources, no matter how many windows you have open, even if that tab is selected (the other windows open to that tab darken). Also, if you manually navigate in another tab to the URL of one of your pinned tabs, it switches to the pinned tab. Also, if you have a pinned tab selected and type in a new url, it will open a new tab instead of changing your pinned tab. Compared to Chrome / Edge, where a pinned tab: - is only available in the window you pin it in - closes with the keyboard shortcut to "close all tabs" I've never found any use to that implementation. In those browsers it's more like "make this tab small and place it to the left"
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Right? This isn't a bug and it's pretty out there to think it is. If it's the last open tab, there are no 'tabs' at that point, it's a single browser window. So closing it, closes the browser! Good luck convincing a Safari dev that there's a bug there. The expected behaviour for "close" is "close".
- amichail 3y ago
  It's extremely annoying to accidentally close the window because you pressed cmd-w too many times.
  - demondemidi 3y ago
    Hmmmmm... that's a good point. Maybe shift-cmd-w should close tabs, and cmd-w the entire application. I like how other applications ask you if you want to exit when you hit cmd-w, I leave that turned on when I can.

"In Safari, closing the last non-pinned tab using cmd-w should go to the start page. Currently, it closes the browser." - title of reddit thread linked below.

mercutio2 3y ago
“Should” is doing a lot of work in this sentence. It very much should not do this, if it’s following normal AppKit conventions. Might be a nice optional feature request…
- sitzkrieg 3y ago
  where is pinned vs normal tab treatment for closing in appkit conventions?
  - c-hendricks 3y ago
    This seems pedantic. Pinned Tabs can be considered like an entry in your bookmark bar. Yes, they're in a different place, but they're a button in the UI, in all windows of the browser, that takes the user to a URL. What's going on here is the user is closing the last tab in their window and expecting it to stay open.
    - sitzkrieg 3y ago
      so to put it more simply, a pinned tab behaves like a button so it doesnt count as open tab? apologies if it sounded like loaded question , genuinely trying to understand the way it is supposed to worki
      - c-hendricks 3y ago
        Pretty much! IMO Safari is the only browser that gets Pinned Tabs right. In Safari, when you pin a tab, it's available in all your browser windows, and cannot be closed (if you do close it, it comes right back). To remove them, you have to manually unpin the tab. There's also only ever one "instance" of the tab taking up resources, no matter how many windows you have open, even if that tab is selected (the other windows open to that tab darken). Also, if you manually navigate in another tab to the URL of one of your pinned tabs, it switches to the pinned tab. Also, if you have a pinned tab selected and type in a new url, it will open a new tab instead of changing your pinned tab. Compared to Chrome / Edge, where a pinned tab: - is only available in the window you pin it in - closes with the keyboard shortcut to "close all tabs" I've never found any use to that implementation. In those browsers it's more like "make this tab small and place it to the left"

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

Right? This isn't a bug and it's pretty out there to think it is. If it's the last open tab, there are no 'tabs' at that point, it's a single browser window. So closing it, closes the browser! Good luck convincing a Safari dev that there's a bug there. The expected behaviour for "close" is "close".

amichail 3y ago
It's extremely annoying to accidentally close the window because you pressed cmd-w too many times.
- demondemidi 3y ago
  Hmmmmm... that's a good point. Maybe shift-cmd-w should close tabs, and cmd-w the entire application. I like how other applications ask you if you want to exit when you hit cmd-w, I leave that turned on when I can.