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Rimac also did the battery system for "Koenigsegg Regera – the world’s most powerful production car" https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac

Rimac also did the battery system for "Koenigsegg Regera – the world’s most powerful production car" https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-helps-bring-worlds-most-powerful-production-car-to-reality/ https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-...

kwhitefoot 3y ago
In what sense is a Koenigsegg a production car?
- fgsfds028374 3y ago
  It can be purchased by a consumer and driven on public roads. In what sense is it not one?
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    It's hand built. And it would not surprise me if every one of them is different. I can buy a Caterham-7 and drive it on public roads too. That doesn't make it a production car even though it is probably much more standardised than the Koenigsegg.
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  In the sense that there were 85 of them built on the same production line and sold to actual customers.
- doikor 3y ago
  Usually this means that it is a street legal car that is/was sold to the public. In modern times this also means that it went through crash testing so modern production cars have much larger production runs to offset the costs of that or are very very expensive (millions). For example Rimac said they are planning to make 150 Neveras but they also had to make multiple rolling bodies and a couple fully built cars (at minimum one for EU and one for US if you want to enter both markets) for crash testing on top of any development cars. But strictly speaking there is no one definition but instead each field/industry defines it in its own way. Motorsports has its own (multiple actually depending on the series/governing body), car manufacturers have their own, record keeping organisations have their own (guinness book of records), etc
- _ea1k 3y ago
  I feel like the minimum standard is too low, tbh. Building dozens of them and selling them seems like enough. There needs to be another standard that is something like... built at least 10k of them. Because less than that is still likely hand-built and it doesn't really mean much that it was "production".
  - michaelbuckbee 3y ago
    "Mass Market Production"?
- pseudosavant 3y ago
  In the sense that it is "homologated" and has had to pass all of the same tests as a car that will sell in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of units. https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/mobility-and-automotive/automotive-and-oem/homologation-and-global-market-access https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/mobility-and-automotive...
  - Aachen 3y ago
    > Homologation is the granting of approval by an official authority. For anyone else to whom this word is news and didn't understand that the "and" meant "which can be translated to English as"
    - fruit2020 3y ago
      This word is common in latin based languages.
      - Aachen 3y ago
        English is not latin-based but germanic afaik
        kwhitefoot 3y ago
        The 60% of the vocabulary that came via French might have something to say about that.
MrFoof 3y ago
Mate Rimac was also functionally placed in charge of Bugatti by Rimac and Bugatti becoming a joint venture. Moreover, Porsche has invested heavily into the brand and currently has between a 45 - 58% stake in it following the formation of the Bugatti-Rimac JV. I'm giving a range for Porsche's ownership because there are multiple conflicting sources.
- Strom 3y ago
  45% is the direct ownership, but Porsche also has indirect ownership on top. From the Rimac press releases we have two different states with accompanying charts. 2021-07-05 - Porsche owns 45% of the joint venture directly, plus 24% of Rimac for an effective total of 58.2%. [1] 2021-11-02 - Porsche owns 45% of the joint venture directly, plus 22% of Rimac for an effective total of 57.1%. [2] -- [1] https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-and-bugatti-combine-forces-in-historic-new-venture/ https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-... [2] https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-automobili-and-bugatti-begin-operating-under-new-company/ https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-...

kwhitefoot 3y ago

In what sense is a Koenigsegg a production car?

fgsfds028374 3y ago
It can be purchased by a consumer and driven on public roads. In what sense is it not one?
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  It's hand built. And it would not surprise me if every one of them is different. I can buy a Caterham-7 and drive it on public roads too. That doesn't make it a production car even though it is probably much more standardised than the Koenigsegg.
Toutouxc 3y ago
In the sense that there were 85 of them built on the same production line and sold to actual customers.
doikor 3y ago
Usually this means that it is a street legal car that is/was sold to the public. In modern times this also means that it went through crash testing so modern production cars have much larger production runs to offset the costs of that or are very very expensive (millions). For example Rimac said they are planning to make 150 Neveras but they also had to make multiple rolling bodies and a couple fully built cars (at minimum one for EU and one for US if you want to enter both markets) for crash testing on top of any development cars. But strictly speaking there is no one definition but instead each field/industry defines it in its own way. Motorsports has its own (multiple actually depending on the series/governing body), car manufacturers have their own, record keeping organisations have their own (guinness book of records), etc
_ea1k 3y ago
I feel like the minimum standard is too low, tbh. Building dozens of them and selling them seems like enough. There needs to be another standard that is something like... built at least 10k of them. Because less than that is still likely hand-built and it doesn't really mean much that it was "production".
- michaelbuckbee 3y ago
  "Mass Market Production"?
pseudosavant 3y ago
In the sense that it is "homologated" and has had to pass all of the same tests as a car that will sell in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of units. https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/mobility-and-automotive/automotive-and-oem/homologation-and-global-market-access https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/mobility-and-automotive...
- Aachen 3y ago
  > Homologation is the granting of approval by an official authority. For anyone else to whom this word is news and didn't understand that the "and" meant "which can be translated to English as"
  - fruit2020 3y ago
    This word is common in latin based languages.
    - Aachen 3y ago
      English is not latin-based but germanic afaik
      - kwhitefoot 3y ago
        The 60% of the vocabulary that came via French might have something to say about that.

MrFoof 3y ago

Mate Rimac was also functionally placed in charge of Bugatti by Rimac and Bugatti becoming a joint venture. Moreover, Porsche has invested heavily into the brand and currently has between a 45 - 58% stake in it following the formation of the Bugatti-Rimac JV. I'm giving a range for Porsche's ownership because there are multiple conflicting sources.

Strom 3y ago
45% is the direct ownership, but Porsche also has indirect ownership on top. From the Rimac press releases we have two different states with accompanying charts. 2021-07-05 - Porsche owns 45% of the joint venture directly, plus 24% of Rimac for an effective total of 58.2%. [1] 2021-11-02 - Porsche owns 45% of the joint venture directly, plus 22% of Rimac for an effective total of 57.1%. [2] -- [1] https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-and-bugatti-combine-forces-in-historic-new-venture/ https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-... [2] https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-automobili-and-bugatti-begin-operating-under-new-company/ https://www.rimac-automobili.com/media/press-releases/rimac-...