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> the best products and services Stuff so great you'd have to pay me to use it. In my books, Apple prices are just a tax on people who are bad with computers a

> the best products and services Stuff so great you'd have to pay me to use it. In my books, Apple prices are just a tax on people who are bad with computers and organizing their own stuff in the same way lotteries are a tax on not understanding basic math.

criddell 3y ago
> Apple prices are just a tax on people who are bad with computers That's kind of the beauty of it. You don't have to be good at computers to use Apple devices and get things done. I think people forget that nobody buys a computer because they want to use a computer. They buy one because they want to run Office or GarageBand or Photoshop or Portal etc...
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  > I think people forget that nobody buys a computer because they want to use a computer. As in, I am "forgetting" that I am an exact clone of the "the average user", whoever that even is, instead of knowing precisely what I like and respect, and what I don't? Nope. My first use of an Apple was 1999 when friends asked me to help them get on the internet when their parents were away. Never had used an Apple before, took me like 30 mins, all the while feeling insulted by that one-button mouse that was completely unusable without the modifier key on the keyboard. That was my initial impression -- this has to be a joke -- and everything I saw and used since then just confirmed it. From users not knowing what a file is, to devs constantly having to jump through hoops to keep software running because Apple has some new hoops to jump through. If it's good enough for you, that's fine. Doesn't change that it's not good enough for me. Training wheels are great for zoning out on auto-pilot, they just suck when you're fully focused and would prefer to be able to make tighter turns. The average user is getting so exploited and fucked over every single day, that what they think they want because they don't know better doesn't impress me in the least.
edgyquant 3y ago
That’s hilarious considering one of Apples most loyal bases is software engineers. Even a number of Linux kernel maintainers are on MacBooks
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  I agree that a lot of software engineers use MacOS, though maybe not to the extent of 2007. Linux Desktops seem more viable than ever. > Even a number of Linux kernel maintainers are on MacBooks They aren't running MacOS on them though, are they? I'd really like a citation on this if you think they are.
  - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
    What about Linux laptops.
    - jeremyjh 3y ago
      I meant Linux Desktop Environments.
- tpush 3y ago
  *wealthy software engineers in English speaking countries
- kyriakos 3y ago
  That's an HN biased opinion, if you look outside the startup ecosystem, many developers in the enterprise don't use macos.
  - rubyfan 3y ago
    s/don’t/aren’t allowed to
    - kyriakos 3y ago
      My workplace gives a choice between Linux / windows / macos. Less than 30% choose macos. It's one sample point but it can't be the only one.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  How many if we take away all the noobs who can't start their own code without clicking play on the IDE though? Feel free to downvote, I've met such people in senior SWE positions

criddell 3y ago

> Apple prices are just a tax on people who are bad with computers That's kind of the beauty of it. You don't have to be good at computers to use Apple devices and get things done. I think people forget that nobody buys a computer because they want to use a computer. They buy one because they want to run Office or GarageBand or Photoshop or Portal etc...

johnnyworker 3y ago
> I think people forget that nobody buys a computer because they want to use a computer. As in, I am "forgetting" that I am an exact clone of the "the average user", whoever that even is, instead of knowing precisely what I like and respect, and what I don't? Nope. My first use of an Apple was 1999 when friends asked me to help them get on the internet when their parents were away. Never had used an Apple before, took me like 30 mins, all the while feeling insulted by that one-button mouse that was completely unusable without the modifier key on the keyboard. That was my initial impression -- this has to be a joke -- and everything I saw and used since then just confirmed it. From users not knowing what a file is, to devs constantly having to jump through hoops to keep software running because Apple has some new hoops to jump through. If it's good enough for you, that's fine. Doesn't change that it's not good enough for me. Training wheels are great for zoning out on auto-pilot, they just suck when you're fully focused and would prefer to be able to make tighter turns. The average user is getting so exploited and fucked over every single day, that what they think they want because they don't know better doesn't impress me in the least.

edgyquant 3y ago

That’s hilarious considering one of Apples most loyal bases is software engineers. Even a number of Linux kernel maintainers are on MacBooks

jeremyjh 3y ago
I agree that a lot of software engineers use MacOS, though maybe not to the extent of 2007. Linux Desktops seem more viable than ever. > Even a number of Linux kernel maintainers are on MacBooks They aren't running MacOS on them though, are they? I'd really like a citation on this if you think they are.
- J_Shelby_J 3y ago
  What about Linux laptops.
  - jeremyjh 3y ago
    I meant Linux Desktop Environments.
tpush 3y ago
*wealthy software engineers in English speaking countries
kyriakos 3y ago
That's an HN biased opinion, if you look outside the startup ecosystem, many developers in the enterprise don't use macos.
- rubyfan 3y ago
  s/don’t/aren’t allowed to
  - kyriakos 3y ago
    My workplace gives a choice between Linux / windows / macos. Less than 30% choose macos. It's one sample point but it can't be the only one.
LtWorf 3y ago
How many if we take away all the noobs who can't start their own code without clicking play on the IDE though? Feel free to downvote, I've met such people in senior SWE positions