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> And even if there's no formal system or procedure for a police raid, it would only take a few minutes for that team to decide that they have an obligation to

> And even if there's no formal system or procedure for a police raid, it would only take a few minutes for that team to decide that they have an obligation to protect the company's data and network Are you advocating that employees have the obligation to break the law to protect a business that might be doing illegal things? Are you an employee or an employer?

hef19898 3y ago
Temporarily embarassed founder-CEO of a global tech giant, I suppose.
avidiax 3y ago
> break the law You misunderstand the law. The police can collect evidence in their jurisdiction. They are free to grab papers, phones, laptops, servers, etc. If the hard drives are encrypted, they can ask a judge to compel decryption, after presenting evidence and subject to rebuttal by legal counsel. What the police often want to do is an extra-legal search of materials outside their jurisdiction, i.e. in the cloud, in remote servers, etc. I would posit that this is almost always the case, since raiding any tech company would otherwise yield a few printouts and a stack of encrypted laptops. > Are you advocating that employees have the obligation to break the law Absolutely not. The IT employee is probably several time zones away, and is just securing assets not on-site. His team mate will probably provide discovery if/when the police actually request things through a court process. The staff on site should cooperate, whether or not their cooperation has been rendered moot. You aren't suggesting that the police should be able to sit in that office, accessing anything they want on remote servers, indefinitely, right? Why can't the police kick the IT guy's door in and demand an admin login?
- meiraleal 3y ago
  > What the police often want to do is an extra-legal search of materials outside their jurisdiction, i.e. in the cloud, in remote servers, etc. I would posit that this is almost always the case, since raiding any tech company would otherwise yield a few printouts and a stack of encrypted laptops. Ok, my advice to anyone reading this is that if you find yourself in this situation, help the police get as much information they can about it. Nobody should get in the middle of law enforcers business for a wage, don't risk yourself. > You aren't suggesting that the police should be able to sit in that office, accessing anything they want on remote servers, indefinitely, right? Why can't the police kick the IT guy's door in and demand an admin login? I'm suggesting that if you create/operate a kill switch you might go to jail and it will be for a wage, something that a competent tech person can get anywhere, probably with a better work life balance than a place that is under risk of police raid.

hef19898 3y ago

Temporarily embarassed founder-CEO of a global tech giant, I suppose.

avidiax 3y ago

> break the law You misunderstand the law. The police can collect evidence in their jurisdiction. They are free to grab papers, phones, laptops, servers, etc. If the hard drives are encrypted, they can ask a judge to compel decryption, after presenting evidence and subject to rebuttal by legal counsel. What the police often want to do is an extra-legal search of materials outside their jurisdiction, i.e. in the cloud, in remote servers, etc. I would posit that this is almost always the case, since raiding any tech company would otherwise yield a few printouts and a stack of encrypted laptops. > Are you advocating that employees have the obligation to break the law Absolutely not. The IT employee is probably several time zones away, and is just securing assets not on-site. His team mate will probably provide discovery if/when the police actually request things through a court process. The staff on site should cooperate, whether or not their cooperation has been rendered moot. You aren't suggesting that the police should be able to sit in that office, accessing anything they want on remote servers, indefinitely, right? Why can't the police kick the IT guy's door in and demand an admin login?

meiraleal 3y ago
> What the police often want to do is an extra-legal search of materials outside their jurisdiction, i.e. in the cloud, in remote servers, etc. I would posit that this is almost always the case, since raiding any tech company would otherwise yield a few printouts and a stack of encrypted laptops. Ok, my advice to anyone reading this is that if you find yourself in this situation, help the police get as much information they can about it. Nobody should get in the middle of law enforcers business for a wage, don't risk yourself. > You aren't suggesting that the police should be able to sit in that office, accessing anything they want on remote servers, indefinitely, right? Why can't the police kick the IT guy's door in and demand an admin login? I'm suggesting that if you create/operate a kill switch you might go to jail and it will be for a wage, something that a competent tech person can get anywhere, probably with a better work life balance than a place that is under risk of police raid.