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> And gcc and grub and potentially some other 10 libraries that everybody is still using! Stallman almost screwed up gcc, I think multiple times. GRUB at this

> And gcc and grub and potentially some other 10 libraries that everybody is still using! Stallman almost screwed up gcc, I think multiple times. GRUB at this point can be safely declared obsolete in the age of EFI. But yes, GCC is very nice. > You are seriously asking why the Free Software Foundation isn't using a propietary social platform? If only to direct people to content hosted elsewhere, but yes.

blueflow 3y ago
> GRUB at this point can be safely declared obsolete in the age of EFI. Normally you have GRUB being launched from EFI to avoid dealing with the legacy parts of EFI directly.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  I mean, most of what GRUB provides is completely unnecessary under EFI. You can even boot Linux from EFI directly, I think, you just need to hardcode the kernel parameters, which is not ideal. So a very minimal loader is still useful, but way simpler than GRUB.
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  - blueflow 3y ago
    But you have to implement GPT with its mixed-endian UUID's (standard-nonconformance copied from Win 3.1), link the kernel into a windows executable (Which is hacked on top of a MS-DOS MZ .exe) and write that to the ESP, which is a floppy file system from the 80ies. And of course its relying on the VFAT extensions from windows 95. I don't know how Microsoft managed to design a boot scheme that is conceptually better than boot sector booting while including a similar painful amount of legacy in it. And then there are the people who celebrate that 'advance' of modern software while their kernel now has a 16-bit real mode "This program cannot be run in DOS mode" stub.
oytis 3y ago
> If only to direct people to content hosted elsewhere, but yes. Twitter has been in the news for banning accounts for doing that.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  Yeah, since Musk took over. There was plenty time to do this before that then. And when the ban time comes, milk that for all it's worth.
yyyk 3y ago
I dislike GRUB - it is way overcomplex - but it is ubiquitous and very much in use.

blueflow 3y ago

> GRUB at this point can be safely declared obsolete in the age of EFI. Normally you have GRUB being launched from EFI to avoid dealing with the legacy parts of EFI directly.

dale_glass 3y ago
I mean, most of what GRUB provides is completely unnecessary under EFI. You can even boot Linux from EFI directly, I think, you just need to hardcode the kernel parameters, which is not ideal. So a very minimal loader is still useful, but way simpler than GRUB.
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- blueflow 3y ago
  But you have to implement GPT with its mixed-endian UUID's (standard-nonconformance copied from Win 3.1), link the kernel into a windows executable (Which is hacked on top of a MS-DOS MZ .exe) and write that to the ESP, which is a floppy file system from the 80ies. And of course its relying on the VFAT extensions from windows 95. I don't know how Microsoft managed to design a boot scheme that is conceptually better than boot sector booting while including a similar painful amount of legacy in it. And then there are the people who celebrate that 'advance' of modern software while their kernel now has a 16-bit real mode "This program cannot be run in DOS mode" stub.

oytis 3y ago

> If only to direct people to content hosted elsewhere, but yes. Twitter has been in the news for banning accounts for doing that.

dale_glass 3y ago
Yeah, since Musk took over. There was plenty time to do this before that then. And when the ban time comes, milk that for all it's worth.

yyyk 3y ago

I dislike GRUB - it is way overcomplex - but it is ubiquitous and very much in use.