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As an ex heavy IRC user, I couldn’t possibly disagree more with this. Not even for the same “free! libre!” reasons as the other replier. It is just at its core

As an ex heavy IRC user, I couldn’t possibly disagree more with this. Not even for the same “free! libre!” reasons as the other replier. It is just at its core still a gamer chat platform heavily misappropriated for other purposes, with a UX that will spare no opportunity to make you aware of that.

bombcar 3y ago
I also feel people treated irc much more ephemeral, important things were in a forum post or a bot. Discord is just treated as the sum repository of all for way too many people.
- MrVandemar 3y ago
  > Discord is just treated as the sum repository of all for way too many people. The barrier of entry of asking and answering questions on a Discord is very low. Setting up a forum, that's needs a bit of effort, not to mention hosting, and on-going headache of spam and liability. I mean, I'm really interested in Audio Description, but there is no forum for discussing the nuts and bolts, issues, research, advocacy etc. Conversely there are AD groups on Twitter, Facebook, Linkd In, Discord and a few more besides.
- ehnto 3y ago
  I guess it could be treated that way, but it is just a chat network to me and many. I don't expect to scroll back to infinity and find old messages. On IRC of course, you got X amount of history when you logged on, and that was what you worked with. It does feel a lot more ephemeral, more like a real conversation.
burnished 3y ago
How do you reckon? For contrast I've gotten a lot of use out of it for connecting with various topic focused communities and I've seen people do neat things with it. The python server manages to offer an awful lot of surprisingly high quality tutoring, all things considered, and a big part of it is through the automation they've built in via bots. Oh! And I found a server focused on electronics when I was looking for help repairing a damaged TV that had knowledge resources the likes of which I rarely see anymore. In all that I never felt like the experience was hampered by discord's association with gaming. Honestly it felt like a chat client that wanted to be used - if you want to start using IRC as a newb today you first have to pay obeisance and perform the ritual stumbling through. Discord doesn't (or did not as of a few years ago) even need an account to get started, just type a handle and go.
- Gormo 3y ago
  > f you want to start using IRC as a newb today you first have to pay obeisance and perform the ritual stumbling through Nah, web-based clients like The Lounge (https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/) or Convos (https://convos.chat/ https://convos.chat/) provide a very similar user experience to Discord or Slack.
  - lmm 3y ago
    They try, but they still end up clunkier. E.g. you're never going to be able to put pictures in a message in a nice way, because even if your client supports it, other people on IRC don't.
    - Gormo 3y ago
      IRC v3 supports feature extension standardization via message tagging, so these features aren't client-specific. Anyone who --wants to see pictures in their feeds will be able to do so by using a client that supports the feature, without a single proprietary client being forced onto everyone. That's a win-win.
- sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago
  Between the random ads for this Discord service or that Discord update that are all focused at gamers... and the voice and video... and the integrations Discord themselves offer... and the store... I can see why one would describe it as GP did. > The python server manages to offer an awful lot of surprisingly high quality tutoring, all things considered, and a big part of it is through the automation they've built in via bots So did/does IRC.
ehnto 3y ago
Fair enough. The UX is really not an issue for me. I am a terminal diehard but I still don't miss IRCs interface. I am mostly talking about the communities themselves, there are not many truly large everyone-in-a-room chat networks with diverse and modern topics. Yeah IRC is still there, but I am in it for the people, and the people are on discord at the moment. They'll probably move when Discord fucks up, but that doesn't change the conversations I have today.

bombcar 3y ago

I also feel people treated irc much more ephemeral, important things were in a forum post or a bot. Discord is just treated as the sum repository of all for way too many people.

MrVandemar 3y ago
> Discord is just treated as the sum repository of all for way too many people. The barrier of entry of asking and answering questions on a Discord is very low. Setting up a forum, that's needs a bit of effort, not to mention hosting, and on-going headache of spam and liability. I mean, I'm really interested in Audio Description, but there is no forum for discussing the nuts and bolts, issues, research, advocacy etc. Conversely there are AD groups on Twitter, Facebook, Linkd In, Discord and a few more besides.
ehnto 3y ago
I guess it could be treated that way, but it is just a chat network to me and many. I don't expect to scroll back to infinity and find old messages. On IRC of course, you got X amount of history when you logged on, and that was what you worked with. It does feel a lot more ephemeral, more like a real conversation.

burnished 3y ago

How do you reckon? For contrast I've gotten a lot of use out of it for connecting with various topic focused communities and I've seen people do neat things with it. The python server manages to offer an awful lot of surprisingly high quality tutoring, all things considered, and a big part of it is through the automation they've built in via bots. Oh! And I found a server focused on electronics when I was looking for help repairing a damaged TV that had knowledge resources the likes of which I rarely see anymore. In all that I never felt like the experience was hampered by discord's association with gaming. Honestly it felt like a chat client that wanted to be used - if you want to start using IRC as a newb today you first have to pay obeisance and perform the ritual stumbling through. Discord doesn't (or did not as of a few years ago) even need an account to get started, just type a handle and go.

Gormo 3y ago
> f you want to start using IRC as a newb today you first have to pay obeisance and perform the ritual stumbling through Nah, web-based clients like The Lounge (https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/) or Convos (https://convos.chat/ https://convos.chat/) provide a very similar user experience to Discord or Slack.
- lmm 3y ago
  They try, but they still end up clunkier. E.g. you're never going to be able to put pictures in a message in a nice way, because even if your client supports it, other people on IRC don't.
  - Gormo 3y ago
    IRC v3 supports feature extension standardization via message tagging, so these features aren't client-specific. Anyone who --wants to see pictures in their feeds will be able to do so by using a client that supports the feature, without a single proprietary client being forced onto everyone. That's a win-win.
sScTE9qEMCxEk34 3y ago
Between the random ads for this Discord service or that Discord update that are all focused at gamers... and the voice and video... and the integrations Discord themselves offer... and the store... I can see why one would describe it as GP did. > The python server manages to offer an awful lot of surprisingly high quality tutoring, all things considered, and a big part of it is through the automation they've built in via bots So did/does IRC.

ehnto 3y ago

Fair enough. The UX is really not an issue for me. I am a terminal diehard but I still don't miss IRCs interface. I am mostly talking about the communities themselves, there are not many truly large everyone-in-a-room chat networks with diverse and modern topics. Yeah IRC is still there, but I am in it for the people, and the people are on discord at the moment. They'll probably move when Discord fucks up, but that doesn't change the conversations I have today.