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Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill. Since when has "tou

by moogly 3y ago

Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill. Since when has "tough on hard crime" ever "worked" unless you go completely nuts like, for example, Duterte in the Philippines? This needs to be worked on much earlier by improving social programs and integration. It's a multi-decade job. Barring government led death squads (which I'm not proposing here, mind you), deterrence does not work. Interviews with some of these young criminals (borderline child soldiers at this point) show that they do not expect to live past 20-25, so they really don't care.

jiofj 3y ago
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- moogly 3y ago
  Many of these criminals are Swedish citizens (second generation). You want to deport them where exactly? Or do you want to put them in mega prisons that do not currently exist? That's pretty expensive too.
  - jiofj 3y ago
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    - moogly 3y ago
      > So since there's no simple solution nothing should be done? Didn't say that, quite the opposite, but yeah, I'll confess I can't outline how. Hard to say how to fix 30 years of systemic failure. "Throw them in the ocean" is a bit underspecified too, to be fair, and the legality is questionable.
    - temporarara 3y ago
      Pretty good idea IMO. I don't really know what makes people love gang members and other violent scum on the Earth. Surely they stop being murderous terrorists if we are just lenient to them. Bad people can thrive because good people are afraid to make it very clear that this kind of behaviour is not accepted and you will be dead or locked for life if you even try. Let's watch some TV shows that romanticises the criminals instead, and maybe listen to some some nice music that glorifies gangs...
jacooper 3y ago
> Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill. Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont. > Interviews with some of these young criminals (borderline child soldiers at this point) show that they do not expect to live past 20-25, so they really don't care. Thats an issue, because they will never say that if they stayed in their countries (pre-war).
- moogly 3y ago
  > Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont. So death squads. How's that working out in Latin America?
  - selectodude 3y ago
    Remarkably well. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown-spread-across-latin-america https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvado...
    - workfromspace 3y ago
      FYI: Here's Non-AMP version: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown-spread-across-latin-america https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-g... (And here is archived version: https://archive.ph/ai2fQ https://archive.ph/ai2fQ )

by moogly 3y ago

jiofj 3y ago

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moogly 3y ago
Many of these criminals are Swedish citizens (second generation). You want to deport them where exactly? Or do you want to put them in mega prisons that do not currently exist? That's pretty expensive too.
- jiofj 3y ago
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  - moogly 3y ago
    > So since there's no simple solution nothing should be done? Didn't say that, quite the opposite, but yeah, I'll confess I can't outline how. Hard to say how to fix 30 years of systemic failure. "Throw them in the ocean" is a bit underspecified too, to be fair, and the legality is questionable.
  - temporarara 3y ago
    Pretty good idea IMO. I don't really know what makes people love gang members and other violent scum on the Earth. Surely they stop being murderous terrorists if we are just lenient to them. Bad people can thrive because good people are afraid to make it very clear that this kind of behaviour is not accepted and you will be dead or locked for life if you even try. Let's watch some TV shows that romanticises the criminals instead, and maybe listen to some some nice music that glorifies gangs...

jacooper 3y ago

> Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill. Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont. > Interviews with some of these young criminals (borderline child soldiers at this point) show that they do not expect to live past 20-25, so they really don't care. Thats an issue, because they will never say that if they stayed in their countries (pre-war).

moogly 3y ago
> Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont. So death squads. How's that working out in Latin America?
- selectodude 3y ago
  Remarkably well. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown-spread-across-latin-america https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvado...
  - workfromspace 3y ago
    FYI: Here's Non-AMP version: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-gang-crackdown-spread-across-latin-america https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-g... (And here is archived version: https://archive.ph/ai2fQ https://archive.ph/ai2fQ )