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Yep, batteries are the only thing that is guaranteed to fail in any device, and the manufacturrs have made their replacement very hard and expensive in the last

Yep, batteries are the only thing that is guaranteed to fail in any device, and the manufacturrs have made their replacement very hard and expensive in the last 10 years. Let's not forget, we had waterproof phones with a headphone jack, sd card slot and a user replacable battery already... and now they're trying to convinve us that this is impossible.

pjmlp 3y ago
Yeah, there is a whole generation that believes on that lie, meanwhile Nokia and Motorola sold plenty of them back in the feature phone and Symbian days.
- bombcar 3y ago
  The EU or some other big government should just mandate that the first battery replacement must be free if it’s not user replaceable.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-b...
bombcar 3y ago
Apple is releasing a “only charge to 80%” feature with iOS 15.1 or whatever is next that will hopefully increase life.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Had that on some Android phones for a while now, e.g. my Galaxy S22 has it. I use it, and trust that it works - but this is not a solution, this is just adding insult to injury for those of us who remember phones with replaceable batteries...
  - Tade0 3y ago
    To me it's less of a concern nowadays considering how batteries generally improved over the years. I had my battery replaced along with the screen after my then 5yo device hit the pavement. The health was at 83%, so not terrible after 5 years, but I figured I'd still do it because it was cheap. Interestingly the new battery's health is at 91% - possibly because they stopped producing it a few years ago and some capacity was lost in storage.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Yeah I feel the battery passed “long enough” some time ago. I used to upgrade my phone because the battery replacement would basically be a discount on buying a new one instead, now I buy a new one when my screen ends up shattered.
  - pmontra 3y ago
    I replaced the battery of my Samsung A40. A video for your S22 is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZx0DXoyEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZx0DXoyEU It's the same level of skill required to open a laptop to replace components. Of course replacing an old style battery was 1000 times easier and everybody could do it.
TheHappyOddish 3y ago
Well, sort of. The old Nokia and similar phones were marketed as 'waterproof', but actually IP64/IP65 - e.g no immersion. They would be more correctly identified as 'water resistant'. IP67/IP68 (the common 'waterproof' today) is much better, allowing immersion at set pressures for set times, however still limitations. This spec would be extremely difficult on the phone designs you've mentioned, if possible at all. The Cat S42 H+ is one of the few phones I've come across that js actually 'waterproof'.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > Well, sort of. The real question is, can I use any of the phones in the shower, or swim with them in my pocket? As far as I can tell, the new "waterproof" phones of today won't survive it either, and damage induced this way is not covered by warranty. Point being, I don't think there's much difference in practice in terms of water resistance between old and new "waterproof" phones. Additionally, AFAIK all those ratings are defined in terms of fresh water. The phone may survive being dropped in a sink, but won't necessarily survive being dropped into equivalent depth in sea water. Not knowing it almost cost me my Pebble Time a couple years back.
  - rogerkirkness 3y ago
    Technically they can survive a shower or swim until they've been dropped once. Which is to say, no they can't survive it.
  - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
    I have swum many times with an IP68 phone in chlorinated water. I also have used my phone in the shower, pretty much daily for years. I don't have any cracks in my device, which I suspect would change this.

pjmlp 3y ago

Yeah, there is a whole generation that believes on that lie, meanwhile Nokia and Motorola sold plenty of them back in the feature phone and Symbian days.

bombcar 3y ago
The EU or some other big government should just mandate that the first battery replacement must be free if it’s not user replaceable.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-b...

bombcar 3y ago

Apple is releasing a “only charge to 80%” feature with iOS 15.1 or whatever is next that will hopefully increase life.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Had that on some Android phones for a while now, e.g. my Galaxy S22 has it. I use it, and trust that it works - but this is not a solution, this is just adding insult to injury for those of us who remember phones with replaceable batteries...
- Tade0 3y ago
  To me it's less of a concern nowadays considering how batteries generally improved over the years. I had my battery replaced along with the screen after my then 5yo device hit the pavement. The health was at 83%, so not terrible after 5 years, but I figured I'd still do it because it was cheap. Interestingly the new battery's health is at 91% - possibly because they stopped producing it a few years ago and some capacity was lost in storage.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Yeah I feel the battery passed “long enough” some time ago. I used to upgrade my phone because the battery replacement would basically be a discount on buying a new one instead, now I buy a new one when my screen ends up shattered.
- pmontra 3y ago
  I replaced the battery of my Samsung A40. A video for your S22 is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZx0DXoyEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZx0DXoyEU It's the same level of skill required to open a laptop to replace components. Of course replacing an old style battery was 1000 times easier and everybody could do it.

TheHappyOddish 3y ago

Well, sort of. The old Nokia and similar phones were marketed as 'waterproof', but actually IP64/IP65 - e.g no immersion. They would be more correctly identified as 'water resistant'. IP67/IP68 (the common 'waterproof' today) is much better, allowing immersion at set pressures for set times, however still limitations. This spec would be extremely difficult on the phone designs you've mentioned, if possible at all. The Cat S42 H+ is one of the few phones I've come across that js actually 'waterproof'.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> Well, sort of. The real question is, can I use any of the phones in the shower, or swim with them in my pocket? As far as I can tell, the new "waterproof" phones of today won't survive it either, and damage induced this way is not covered by warranty. Point being, I don't think there's much difference in practice in terms of water resistance between old and new "waterproof" phones. Additionally, AFAIK all those ratings are defined in terms of fresh water. The phone may survive being dropped in a sink, but won't necessarily survive being dropped into equivalent depth in sea water. Not knowing it almost cost me my Pebble Time a couple years back.
- rogerkirkness 3y ago
  Technically they can survive a shower or swim until they've been dropped once. Which is to say, no they can't survive it.
- TheHappyOddish 3y ago
  I have swum many times with an IP68 phone in chlorinated water. I also have used my phone in the shower, pretty much daily for years. I don't have any cracks in my device, which I suspect would change this.