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> waiting too long to attempt procreation > If, through no fault of your own, you are sterile and childless and if technology makes it possible to effectively

> waiting too long to attempt procreation > If, through no fault of your own, you are sterile and childless and if technology makes it possible to effectively reverse that In the modern Western economy, it's pretty easy to find oneself not financially able to sustain a family until one is in one's early forties. I'd say people "waiting too long" are meeting your criteria. > I would want those children to have a true and genuine human experience. "Mommy couldn't bother to get around to making you before her ovaries shriveled up, and so Dr. Frankenbaby cooked you up in a test tube and gestated you inside GMO-gestation livestock" isn't that. For what it's worth... I gestated a bit too long and wouldn't biologically come out. Nearly died. Was "from my mother's womb untimely ripp'd," as the Bard might put it. Me and about 32% of other American births. None of this bothers me, of course, because I don't remember any of it. I don't have any memories until about the time I was verbal. So my lack of having the true and genuine human experience of passing through a vagina into a waiting nurse or OB-GYN's arms hasn't really been, you know... An issue. For me or the other 32% of living Americans. I'd counsel against putting hard limits on what makes for "a true and genuine human experience." This deeply unnatural technology of the Caesarean section has allowed me and millions of others a chance at life, as well as decreasing the maternal death rate drastically. If gestation in whatever a "GMO-gestation livestock" is provided even more people a chance at life... Who cares? Such limits are also a good way to miss the awesome breadth of what the human experience is. It's a pretty wide thing. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> In the modern Western economy, it's pretty easy to find oneself not financially able to sustain a family until one is in one's early forties. I'd say people "waiting too long" are meeting your criteria. In Africa, there's someone who lives on $10/month. It's not stopping them. When you talk about "being financially able to sustain a family", I get the impression you're talking about getting a purebred dog with a pedigree, because you want a pet but it can't be just any... "has to be perfect". > So my lack of having the true and genuine human experience of passing through a vagina No one cares about that, least of all I. If you think it's comparable to what some people dream of though, well, I don't know what to say. Be grateful for your lack of imagination and its protective properties to the manmade horrors beyond comprehension heading our way.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  > In Africa, there's someone who lives on $10/month. It's not stopping them. Very true. How far does $10 a month go in the United States? > No one cares about that, least of all I. Not true. There are still people who consider cesarean section to be unnatural birth. There are still people who consider IVF to be unnatural birth. And I don't doubt that whatever "horrors" come our way, there will be people who consider being born that way an unnatural way of being until every third person they meet came into the world that way.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

> In the modern Western economy, it's pretty easy to find oneself not financially able to sustain a family until one is in one's early forties. I'd say people "waiting too long" are meeting your criteria. In Africa, there's someone who lives on $10/month. It's not stopping them. When you talk about "being financially able to sustain a family", I get the impression you're talking about getting a purebred dog with a pedigree, because you want a pet but it can't be just any... "has to be perfect". > So my lack of having the true and genuine human experience of passing through a vagina No one cares about that, least of all I. If you think it's comparable to what some people dream of though, well, I don't know what to say. Be grateful for your lack of imagination and its protective properties to the manmade horrors beyond comprehension heading our way.

shadowgovt 3y ago
> In Africa, there's someone who lives on $10/month. It's not stopping them. Very true. How far does $10 a month go in the United States? > No one cares about that, least of all I. Not true. There are still people who consider cesarean section to be unnatural birth. There are still people who consider IVF to be unnatural birth. And I don't doubt that whatever "horrors" come our way, there will be people who consider being born that way an unnatural way of being until every third person they meet came into the world that way.