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Saying someone is ignorant is not saying someone is dumb. Ignorance can be remedied with information, being dumb cannot. One is meant as a personal indictment o

by bumby 3y ago

Saying someone is ignorant is not saying someone is dumb. Ignorance can be remedied with information, being dumb cannot. One is meant as a personal indictment of intelligence, the other is just saying you may not have the right perspective. If you took personal slight from the phrasing, it wasn’t intended. There is no root cause claim there so you’re not saying much, other than strawmanning. If you look at a modern economy car, it weighs more than economy cars of the past or non-approved models for the US, despite using lighter weight materials for comparable components. So where does the extra weight come from? Mandatory safety features and options. That’s all the “disproportionate” statement is saying. It also wasn’t a comment to you, so a bit cringey that you try to search for any weak handhold to make your point. You also picked a different comment to illustrate the context rather than your actual post, so I’m not sure your point. But it certainly lends credence to the idea of you moving the goalposts just to avoid being wrong. I’ll give you more perspective since you missed the point. If the data contains zero it means it ranges from saying the US cars are safer to saying they are less safe. Zero is contained because it’s within this range. In other words, you can’t make strong claims at all. Again, data literacy is important.

littlestymaar 3y ago
Saying a comment is dumb isn't saying you are dumb. If you took personal slight from the phrasing, it wasn’t intended… not. And you know this argument is BS, you infringed the rules about civil discourse first, but now you're trying to use them so you gotta try something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. > If you look at a modern economy car, it weighs more than economy cars of the past or non-approved models for the US, despite using lighter weight materials for comparable components. So where does the extra weight come from? Ah yes, because your old car also had AC, electric window, and all the comfort a modern car has (including the car's form factor, giving more room for arms and legs, and less effort to get out of the car), and then the only difference must be safety… > You also picked a different comment to illustrate the context rather than your actual post Yes I took an adjacent comment in the same thread that you posted 5 minutes before your response to mine. So that must count as a completely different context, right? No, and you know it as well. > If the data contains zero it means it ranges from saying the US cars are safer to saying they are less safe. Zero is contained because it’s within this range. In other words, you can’t make strong claims at all. Of course you can make strong claims, and you're even making a strong claim yourself right now! The claim I make (which is ironically the same as the one you're making right now) is that the study shows that you can't make a strong claim about the US safety being higher than the one in the EU. Which was your argument!

by bumby 3y ago

littlestymaar 3y ago

Saying a comment is dumb isn't saying you are dumb. If you took personal slight from the phrasing, it wasn’t intended… not. And you know this argument is BS, you infringed the rules about civil discourse first, but now you're trying to use them so you gotta try something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. > If you look at a modern economy car, it weighs more than economy cars of the past or non-approved models for the US, despite using lighter weight materials for comparable components. So where does the extra weight come from? Ah yes, because your old car also had AC, electric window, and all the comfort a modern car has (including the car's form factor, giving more room for arms and legs, and less effort to get out of the car), and then the only difference must be safety… > You also picked a different comment to illustrate the context rather than your actual post Yes I took an adjacent comment in the same thread that you posted 5 minutes before your response to mine. So that must count as a completely different context, right? No, and you know it as well. > If the data contains zero it means it ranges from saying the US cars are safer to saying they are less safe. Zero is contained because it’s within this range. In other words, you can’t make strong claims at all. Of course you can make strong claims, and you're even making a strong claim yourself right now! The claim I make (which is ironically the same as the one you're making right now) is that the study shows that you can't make a strong claim about the US safety being higher than the one in the EU. Which was your argument!