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> What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. I imagine for any talk
by timmg 3y ago
> What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument.
I imagine for any talk (or any theory) about just about anything (worth giving a talk about) will have critics (and reasonable critical arguments.)
But, generally, I wouldn't think that that in itself is a good reason to (to some extent) censor his talk.
> In response to the hollowness, I did some googling on racial color blindness and I now am very convinced of its connection to white supremacy.
As someone who is maybe older than the typical HNer (maybe) this is cognitively dissonant to me. When I was younger, Progressives were striving for color-blindness (and MLK famously called for such a thing in his most famous speech.)
- SenAnder 3y ago> When I was younger, Progressives were striving for color-blindness Now that that ground is conquered and secured, it is time for new conquests.
- toyg 3y agoUnlimited thirst for conquest was the undoing of many - Napoleon, for example. Just saying.
- mcphage 3y ago> Now that that ground is conquered and secured You feel that we have achieved a color blind society?
- SenAnder 3y agoNo, but color blindness is broadly accepted as the ideal, in the same way that violence is shunned, but still exists in society. Now it's time to push the ideal further.
- falcolas 3y agoHate groups are fantastic at co-opting previously reasonable ideas. Some examples: - Woke - The OK hand symbol - Gay - turning a word that literally means "Happy" into a slur - The Punisher symbol - He is not a police-adjacent vigilante. - The US Flag (stars and bars, to be specific) So, yeah, as a fellow older HNer, it's hard to see these kinds of re-defining ideals we once ascribed to. But it's happening, and that reality is the one we have to live in.
- timmg 3y ago> So, yeah, as a fellow older HNer, it's hard to see these kinds of re-defining ideals we once ascribed to. But it's happening, and that reality is the one we have to live in. I'm trying (honestly) to understand your position here. Are you saying you used to think "color blindness" (in the MLK sense) was a good idea -- but you no longer do? If so: what changed?
- falcolas 3y agoI think that colorblindness, as espoused by MLK, is a fantastic concept; I love to see it in reality. However, when someone today claims they're colorblind, I accept that they most likely don't mean it in the same way that MLK did. And too often, I'm proven right.
- timmg 3y ago> However, when someone today claims they're colorblind, I accept that they most likely don't mean it in the same way that MLK did. And too often, I'm proven right. I guess, two questions: 1) What is different between what MLK wanted and what "those other people" want today? 2) If two people advocate for the same policy but each has different motivations for it, how does that affect the policy (implementation?) itself?
- Moomoomoo309 3y ago[dead]