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> I am very confused what you mean by this - I have no idea what you are referring to. You asked how does paying for one thing entitle you to another thing. Y

> I am very confused what you mean by this - I have no idea what you are referring to. You asked how does paying for one thing entitle you to another thing. You're referencing my comment about supplying resources in exchange for any IP you create, contractually. I described common contractual terms and you reacted surprised. It appears you lost the context. I'd be very curious how you structured employment agreements for your employees (if any) -- not independent contractors.

Forgeties79 3y ago
There isn’t a production studio on the planet that owns the rights to what you shoot when you aren’t explicitly shooting for them. Independent contractors or not. Their teaching you and providing employment is immaterial. Hell even if they use company hardware as long as they get permission. If i go joyride behind the company’s back sure, there’s a discussion potentially because i violated the rules and jacked company property. But even then…hardly legally enforceable to claim they own the rights and not super applicable since it depends on someone effectively stealing gear to shoot.
- caminante 3y ago
  The root parent here said signing away your IP to your employer is "wrong." I said that's too general. Now, you're agreeing with me in saying using gear without permission or using company gear away from intended use is wrong. As for your blanket statement re: copyright ownership and transfer of rights, it's simply not true to say independent contractors or employees don't sign over all of their creative products in instances. I note how you're also conflating freelance and full/part-time employees. You have no idea what you're talking about.
  - Forgeties79 3y ago
    > You have no idea what you're talking about. If this is how we’re going to discuss this then I’ll just head out now. I have no idea what I’m talking about apparently so it’s not like you’re going to give my points or experience the time of day. Have a good one.
    - caminante 3y ago
      I'm not worried about convincing you. See this legal take (scenario B), rejecting your over-general claims on freelancer's rights over "raw" work product. [0] In your interest, I strongly recommend reviewing your form engagement contracts with an attorney. [0] https://www.owe.com/resources/legalities/legalities-33-do-you-have-to-give-your-freelance-client-your-digital-files/ https://www.owe.com/resources/legalities/legalities-33-do-yo...
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Forgeties79 3y ago

There isn’t a production studio on the planet that owns the rights to what you shoot when you aren’t explicitly shooting for them. Independent contractors or not. Their teaching you and providing employment is immaterial. Hell even if they use company hardware as long as they get permission. If i go joyride behind the company’s back sure, there’s a discussion potentially because i violated the rules and jacked company property. But even then…hardly legally enforceable to claim they own the rights and not super applicable since it depends on someone effectively stealing gear to shoot.

caminante 3y ago
The root parent here said signing away your IP to your employer is "wrong." I said that's too general. Now, you're agreeing with me in saying using gear without permission or using company gear away from intended use is wrong. As for your blanket statement re: copyright ownership and transfer of rights, it's simply not true to say independent contractors or employees don't sign over all of their creative products in instances. I note how you're also conflating freelance and full/part-time employees. You have no idea what you're talking about.
- Forgeties79 3y ago
  > You have no idea what you're talking about. If this is how we’re going to discuss this then I’ll just head out now. I have no idea what I’m talking about apparently so it’s not like you’re going to give my points or experience the time of day. Have a good one.
  - caminante 3y ago
    I'm not worried about convincing you. See this legal take (scenario B), rejecting your over-general claims on freelancer's rights over "raw" work product. [0] In your interest, I strongly recommend reviewing your form engagement contracts with an attorney. [0] https://www.owe.com/resources/legalities/legalities-33-do-you-have-to-give-your-freelance-client-your-digital-files/ https://www.owe.com/resources/legalities/legalities-33-do-yo...
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