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That's odd, because through the media and Internet forums anywhere I can only see name pointing, not strong evidence. If you ever have time, trace back all the

by est 15y ago

That's odd, because through the media and Internet forums anywhere I can only see name pointing, not strong evidence. If you ever have time, trace back all the "China hacking" reports, they all came from non-tech sources, just authoritive accusing. Blame China is obviously the most safe and easy assumption, because Chinese people rarely care or hear foreign voices anyway. But do you happened to know that Chinese Internet was one of the largest malware & botnet victims in the world? If you subscribe full-disclosure you can see lots of mass security issues happening in China everyday.

maratd 15y ago
> That's odd No, it isn't. The Chinese themselves are documenting the attacks. They made a documentary about it. It was a story here on HN. It's not exactly a secret.
- est 15y ago
  I believe you refer to this thread http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2916613 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2916613 Yes, it's documented, but it's DoS Falun Gong servers, the same stuff like Anons with LOIC. But stealing IP from company for political or commercial motives? You need much more than DoS.
samstave 15y ago
First of all, my experience in this matter occured in 2007. Second, if you do not think that MASSIVE governmental cyberspying is taking place between pretty much everyone, then you are fooling yourself. We have already seen the most amazing display of US/Israel cyber capability with Stuxnet. THey have been even actively ASSASSINATING nuclear engineers in Iran for fucks sake! Just because I have been aware of China's attacks on Lockheed since 2007, and likely the first time this type of thought entered your head in ~2012 doesn't make this some propaganda campaign. OF COURSE china is under attack from the US, Israel, France, the UK. I am not sure if you are aware of it - but a resource war is looming in the not too distant future. While China has secured MASSIVE natural resources and made themselves the center of all consumer/industrial manufacturing (aside from heavy industry in Germany) - the US/Israel faction has spent trillions on advanced weaponry and securing fuel resources. So that war that is coming will be a war of attrition: US/Israel with secured fuel for N years, China with massive natural and human resources. Right now the chess game of getting everything in place is what is underway.
- est 15y ago
  Oh man. 1. Hacking between nations happens 2. China has massive resources While I agree a war is looming, but simply accuse China without decent evidence is just like "USA Imperialism" hatred in China without any rational reasons. And just for the record, China relies heavily on resource import, too. And the documentary shows exactly how poor Chinese government hacking is.
  - samstave 15y ago
    Fair to be cautious... however I don't believe ANYTHING ANY government says. EVER. Aside from them telling you they will kill/arrest you. Yes, china relies heavily on resource import - this is why they have been actively securing all the natural resources of Africa. There was an amazing article written in 2008 called "China storms Africa" or something that went into detail about this. EDIT HERE IT IS - READ THIS: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china-in-africa.html http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china... It talked about China having a 50-100 year plan to secure resources. When have you seen the US think further than 4 years in advance. They don't. The US is dead. A husk - a farce and a country who has seriously lost its way. Instead, we rely on the threat of our oil based military to scare countries into submission. We are incapable of long term thinking.

by est 15y ago

maratd 15y ago

> That's odd No, it isn't. The Chinese themselves are documenting the attacks. They made a documentary about it. It was a story here on HN. It's not exactly a secret.

est 15y ago
I believe you refer to this thread http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2916613 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2916613 Yes, it's documented, but it's DoS Falun Gong servers, the same stuff like Anons with LOIC. But stealing IP from company for political or commercial motives? You need much more than DoS.

samstave 15y ago

First of all, my experience in this matter occured in 2007. Second, if you do not think that MASSIVE governmental cyberspying is taking place between pretty much everyone, then you are fooling yourself. We have already seen the most amazing display of US/Israel cyber capability with Stuxnet. THey have been even actively ASSASSINATING nuclear engineers in Iran for fucks sake! Just because I have been aware of China's attacks on Lockheed since 2007, and likely the first time this type of thought entered your head in ~2012 doesn't make this some propaganda campaign. OF COURSE china is under attack from the US, Israel, France, the UK. I am not sure if you are aware of it - but a resource war is looming in the not too distant future. While China has secured MASSIVE natural resources and made themselves the center of all consumer/industrial manufacturing (aside from heavy industry in Germany) - the US/Israel faction has spent trillions on advanced weaponry and securing fuel resources. So that war that is coming will be a war of attrition: US/Israel with secured fuel for N years, China with massive natural and human resources. Right now the chess game of getting everything in place is what is underway.

est 15y ago
Oh man. 1. Hacking between nations happens 2. China has massive resources While I agree a war is looming, but simply accuse China without decent evidence is just like "USA Imperialism" hatred in China without any rational reasons. And just for the record, China relies heavily on resource import, too. And the documentary shows exactly how poor Chinese government hacking is.
- samstave 15y ago
  Fair to be cautious... however I don't believe ANYTHING ANY government says. EVER. Aside from them telling you they will kill/arrest you. Yes, china relies heavily on resource import - this is why they have been actively securing all the natural resources of Africa. There was an amazing article written in 2008 called "China storms Africa" or something that went into detail about this. EDIT HERE IT IS - READ THIS: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china-in-africa.html http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china... It talked about China having a 50-100 year plan to secure resources. When have you seen the US think further than 4 years in advance. They don't. The US is dead. A husk - a farce and a country who has seriously lost its way. Instead, we rely on the threat of our oil based military to scare countries into submission. We are incapable of long term thinking.